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As an aspiring engineer I agree. If something goes catastrophically wrong in a build I like to perform an "autopsy" to understand what went wrong, and why, so as to better understand how I can avoid making the same mistakes in future.

I can understand that but really it all goes back to be careful while the pc is on and nothing will happen.
     
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Do you think he can revive the card by baking it? Just a theory.

I've only heard of that working for ball grid array solder joints fractured due to thermal fatigue like on the xbox 360. To do this you also need to remove all plastic components from the board otherwise they'll melt in the process
 
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post #23 of 48
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I've only heard of that working for ball grid array solder joints fractured due to thermal fatigue like on the xbox 360. To do this you also need to remove all plastic components from the board otherwise they'll melt in the process

Yeah baking is extremely unlikely to help in cases like thees. Unless the damage can be seen there is not really anything that can be done. Even if the damage can be located its only in rare cases repairs can be done. I have for example seen people solder jump cables to circumvent fired vrams (jumping power from adjacent mosfets) but with a random short like this it could be everything and anything that's fried.

That been said its not 100% sure the card is damaged. Depending on where the short was made (for instance shorting the PCI-E connector solders) it is possible that the PSU was damaged though that is unlikely as PSU's have pretty robust short circuit protection.
    
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post #24 of 48
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I already unplugged the psu, gpu and the battery from the motherboard and it didn't work. frown.gif
I don't have the possibility to try the gpu in an other computer atm. So is there any other way to see if the gpu is the reason.

You really need to find out which is the culprit right now, the GPU or the MB before you start going forward and baking or soldering fuses and whatnot.

I know this sounds really stupid, but have you tried unplugging the cable connecting the GPU to the Monitor and then unplugging the monitor? I once had an Asus monitor that did this once in a while. Turning off the monitor and then unplugging it worked for some reason.

If you can get your hands on another GPU (doesn't matter how bad it is) and run it as your main GPU, you can then reflash the bios of the old card (may have been corrupted) as well as run diagnostics on it as well.

But find out which is causing the issues first. The Monitor, the GPU or the MB?
 
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post #25 of 48
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I'd say it sounds like you've blown up your GPU

You could have shorted anything to anything else by touching random parts of your card with a metal object. There probably are fuses on the card but they would likely be to protect against surges from the power supply, motherboard or some other predicable event- to protect against touching anything on the board would be a near impossibly task without fully encasing the components in resin.

Potentially you could have put over 20A through a chip rated for 50mA if you shorted the wrong parts and the damaged component(s) may not even be near where you touched it. Even if you tracked down all the damaged parts, they're surface mount components and some parts are ball grid arrays which mean all the solder points are underneath the chip itself and you can't readily solder them at home

What were you doing to short it out? Have you got another graphics card to test if you've taken any other parts of your computer out at the same time?
I just touched it with metal. And atm i do not have another gpu to test it with.
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Originally Posted by Drakenxile View Post

you can always check and use onboard video if you have it on the system. If it boots up fine then most likely you blew the card.

i would also change the PCI-E power connectors again only if you can use different one
Yes, i could do this BUT my motherboard is a p67 and p67 does NOT support integrated gpu:s
post #27 of 48
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OK guys, now i'm pretty sure that the gpu is broken, since the monitor is working fine and the motherboard is also working. So the GPU is the problem.. frown.gif

Can i fix the GPU, by taking it to a computer shop or something like that OR is the gpu broken and do in NEED to buy a new one.

What i mean with taking it to a computer shop is that if there would be a fuse on the card and they would just switch it and everyone would be happy? Is it even possible or do i need to buy a new card anyways?

And then a completely other question:
Which would you guys take Nvidia gtx 660 or AMD Radeon HD 7870. I'm thinking of getting a 7870 but i'm not sure yet.
(ofc all this is IF my card is broken)

And please don't say "watch reviews" because i've already done that and they're pretty much the same.

AND thank you for replying to this thread!!!!smile.gif
post #28 of 48
Guys in computer shops are usually salesmen, not electrical engineers.
The time and effort to diagnose and fix your card by a specialist is probably worth more then the card itself. Go for the 7870XT and O/C the hell out of it ;-).
post #29 of 48
Sorry for confusing the matter with the fuses comment, if they do exist on the board then they're likely only a few mm long and aren't going to be readily replaceable by any computer shop. It was really for academic interest of circuit bord design that I mentioned it. Even if you took it to an electronics specialist with the relevant skills and equipment, it would likely cost more than buying a replacement card to get it fixed.

I knew you touched it with metal, I was just wondering how and why?

Try RMAing the card if there's any warranty left- you may be in luck and the most you have to lose is some postage costs.

I would go with nvidia for a replacement but either is a good card. ATIs offering should be slightly more powerful though.
 
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post #30 of 48
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Ok, so i bought a new card, (the amd radeon 7870) and everything is working fine now, so the GPU was indeed broken but like i said everything else is working.

THANK YOU EVERYONE smile.gif
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