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Hey guys. I have effectively no skill at rendering case ideas in CAD-like software, and recently learned that it's a pretty damn valuable tool to mocking up a case design. In light of CorsairGeorge's comments in the same thread, I'm thinking up some new SFF ideas that I'd like to see rendered to see if I'm again grossly underestimating certain dimensions.

I've added a couple revision designs too, just to keep creative juices flowing. Thoughts and criticisms are always welcome. thumb.gif



Design 1: "George's Skinny"
(mITX, SFX PSU, 2x 240 rads with push or pull, 140mm (W) x 300mm (H) x 300mm (D), 12.6L internal volume)

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The jist of it:
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Originally Posted by BBEG View Post

...Let's play with the slim form factor idea then, since footprint came up. What about making a case exactly wide enough to fit an H100i's width, and tall enough to accomodate a slim ODD and some front USB/IO/power/etc. Should be what, 140mm wide by 300mm tall internally? That's wide enough to use a riser cable and put a dual-slot GPU behind the mobo tray, with the fans facing the [vented] case wall and exhausting toward the rear (assuming stock blower cooler) and still comfortably fit the H100i's water block (which looks about 30mm tall). Take the numbers earlier in the thread of a 40mm dual slot cooler, an arbitrary 10mm space on either side of the GPU for mounting hardware and more cable management, 5mm mobo tray, 10mm mobo + standoffs, and 30mm CPU block. Well within the 140mm width. Put the mobo middle-rear of the case and the H100i up front; 170mm out of 300mm leaves 65mm above and below the mobo. Plenty of room for a couple 120mm fans up top, maybe a 240 rad with our yet undetermined case depth. The 65mm x 140mm space below the mobo can accommodate a... dun dun dun... SFX PSU laying flat, which is only 63.5mm tall (within the 65mm space below the mobo tray), 125mm wide (within the 140mm space between the case walls), and is only 100mm deep (well shorter in depth than the mobo itself). If we assume depth sufficient to fit another 240 rad up top, call it another H100i for consistency, then we have a roughly 300mm deep case.

Pro's
  • Two spots for 240 rads of H100i dimensions
  • 2x front 120 fan mounts, 2x top fan mounts, room for 1x 120 bottom fan mount
  • Can use 140mm x 65mm x 150mm space between PSU and front 240-with-fan for a pump and reservoir and/or storage drives (provided they're kept small)
  • Overall 140mm (W) x 300mm (H) x 300mm (D) internal dimensions (12.6L) means very small footprint
  • Can also fit 3.5" drives behind mobo tray
  • Can fit slim ODD top-front and still fit a single 120 rad up top
  • 65mm space above CPU for low profile air cooler (may want to vent side panel? Or expand by 2mm to fit Noctua NH-L12)

Con's
  • MUST put GPU behind mobo or else case width grows by at least 60mm
  • No rear fan mounts
  • Requires SFX PSU or else case width grows by about 10mm and case height grows by 20mm
  • Limited to no watercooling of GPU (can fit the water block, but routing tubing would be a nightmare)
  • Sacrifices bottom fan mount for discrete pump/res placement
  • Slim ODD eats into case depth by 50mm-ish, sacrificing use of dual rad (can still use single 120, though)
  • Very difficult cable management without embossed lanes in mobo tray to guide user

Additional Ideas
  • Integrate rear panel with mobo tray
  • Removable mobo tray (seriously, this should be a requirement in all SFF cases)
  • Removable top / bottom / front panels
  • Very clean front facade or panel (a la Fractal Define, Lian Li A76X, Silverstone SG08, but with the vented sides of the Define & A76X cases)
  • Include ten 1" x 1" 3m dual lock squares as well as the normal drive mounting hardware
  • Call it "George's Skinny" and giggle immaturely around the work place drunken.gif


Design 2: Skinny Revised
(mITX, SFX PSU, 2x 240 rads with push-pull, 420mm (H) x 95mm (W) x 300mm (D), 11.97L internal volume)
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Originally Posted by BBEG View Post

An alternative design, also with dual 240 rads:




The Apogee DII is 62mm tall, add +13mm for the mobo/standoff/tray, then 20mm for the GPU with water block. The PSU flipped so that it's on edge oriented fore of the mobo should bring the mobo + PSU length to about the same as the 240 rads. Height will be the width of the two rads (125mm each) plus the height of the mobo (170mm). This gives a taller, skinner case than what I originally made, but lets you push-pull on the rads. It is more purpose-built than the previous case, though; Design 1 has different air flow and air cooling options, whereas Design 2 is pretty much a watercooling only case. Design 2 also requires the bottom 2/3 of the case to have a little stand-off so that the fans can effectively pull air from one side and exhaust it through the other. On the plus side, this warmed basically never reaches the inside of the case where the mobo and GPU are.

I don't think it's possible to put a separate res inside Design 2. If the GPU is 10.5" or shorter, then I think you can fit a Swiftech MCRES mini reservoir fore of the GPU. They measure 101mm (H) x 38mm (W) x 73mm (D). I suppose the FrozenQ 160mm x 50mm tube res might work too.


Design 3: Big Skinny
(mATX, ATX PSU, SLI 2x 10"/254mm GPUs, 2x 240 rads with push or pull, 380mm (H) x 150mm (W) x 330mm (D), 18.8L internal volume)
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Originally Posted by BBEG View Post

Design 3 - Now with mATX and SLI!

Something slightly larger in form factor.



Newness: mATX mobo, ATX PSU, and SLI-capable with a flexible SLI cable.

Again, most thermal dealings are done in the lower part of the case; in this instance, it's the lower 1/3. Two radiators will intake air from the outside, and two 120 fans, positioned fore and aft of the radiators, will exhaust the air back out.

The internal case width would have to accommodate the PSU, meaning at least 150mm. Push-pulling even the thin rads would be almost impossible, so instead just use 45mm rads; 2 of those with their fans would eat up 120mm space, leaving a 30mm gap from which the front and rear fans will pull the warmed air from. The space needed by a GPU + block + Apogee D2 + mobo/standoff/tray using the same math as in Design 2 should be 95mm. If we provide an arbitrary 20mm gap between the Apogee and the GPU block, that least 35mm behind the mobo tray for cabling and hiding storage drives. 150mm internal case width sounds good enough.

Height is a little easier to figure; mATX mobo + 120 rad width. Add a 10mm gap for funzies (actually, for a physical barrier to more definitively isolate the bottom part from the top thermally; thinking a 3mm sheet of acrylic). 244 + 125 + 10 = 379mm internal case height. Call it 380 and be happy.

Depth is kinda tricky. 244 for the mobo, 86 for the PSU. But since the PSU occupies the whole front width, the GPU blocks can't squeeze past; a 330mm internal case depth would give room for a 10" GPU like the GTX 680. It would also give room for a 25mm thick fan on both for and aft of the common 280mm-ish length 240 rads. Seems like a reasonable compromise to me. 330mm case depth it is.

380mm (H) x 150mm (W) x 330mm (D), or 18.8L internally.


Anyone up for it? Pretty please?
Edited by BBEG - 4/7/13 at 10:31pm
    
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Ugh. That wall of text makes my head hurt.

You could start us off by downloading all of the mentioned components from http://scc.jezmckean.com/. Create a new sketchup model and File -> Import each component, then move and rotate each component into position. thumb.gif

Or post a simple pencil drawing. rolleyes.gif
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Quick pencil sketch, 5 different views.
  • NOT TO SCALE! Just a rough guide sketch.
  • Mobo tray will probably be more centered to give more room for a dual-slot GPU.
  • Dual slot GPUs are on average 10-11", or 254-280mm in length.
  • The PSU needs to be against the case rear and below the mobo tray, but it is not necessary to bias it left or right; it's 125mm wide, giving it 15mm of play room left to right.

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CHALLENGE ACCEPTED! Gotta eat now but I will post again once I get something thumb.gif
    
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Subscribed!
Been looking into a few sketchup builds myself but I am severly bad at making good sketches.
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hey man just throwing together a model are you sure you want dual 240mm rads? there could be a lot of wasted space?

What exactly are you looking to be able to do? fit an H100 in the smallest space possible? with the largest GPU possible? let me know then I can try and design something around that
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Clicky the linky.

Short and sweet of it is a slim form factor, sub-13L case with two 240 rads, ITX mobo, 10" GPU, and SFX PSU. It would be comparable to the slim Dell machines you see in so many businesses, only it would actually be awesome. biggrin.gif

Quote:
Pro's
  • Two spots for 240 rads of H100i dimensions
  • 2x front 120 fan mounts, 2x top fan mounts, room for 1x 120 bottom fan mount
  • Can use 140mm x 65mm x 150mm space between PSU and front 240-with-fan for a pump and reservoir and/or storage drives (provided they're kept small)
  • Overall 140mm (W) x 300mm (H) x 300mm (D) internal dimensions (12.6L) means very small footprint
  • Can also fit 3.5" drives behind mobo tray
  • Can fit slim ODD top-front and still fit a single 120 rad up top
  • 65mm space above CPU for low profile air cooler (may want to vent side panel? Or expand by 2mm to fit Noctua NH-L12)

Con's
  • MUST put GPU behind mobo or else case width grows by at least 60mm
  • No rear fan mounts
  • Requires SFX PSU or else case width grows by about 10mm and case height grows by 20mm
  • Limited to no watercooling of GPU (can fit the water block, but routing tubing would be a nightmare)
  • Sacrifices bottom fan mount for discrete pump/res placement
  • Slim ODD eats into case depth by 50mm-ish, sacrificing use of dual rad (can still use single 120, though)
  • Very difficult cable management without embossed lanes in mobo tray to guide user

Additional Ideas
  • Integrate rear panel with mobo tray
  • Removable mobo tray (seriously, this should be a requirement in all SFF cases)
  • Removable top / bottom / front panels
  • Very clean front facade or panel (a la Fractal Define, Lian Li A76X, Silverstone SG08, but with the vented sides of the Define & A76X cases)
  • Include ten 1" x 1" 3m dual lock squares as well as the normal drive mounting hardware
  • Call it "George's Skinny" and giggle immaturely around the work place drunken.gif
    
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An alternative design, also with dual 240 rads:




The Apogee DII is 62mm tall, add +13mm for the mobo/standoff/tray, then 20mm for the GPU with water block. The PSU flipped so that it's on edge oriented fore of the mobo should bring the mobo + PSU length to about the same as the 240 rads. Height will be the width of the two rads (125mm each) plus the height of the mobo (170mm). This gives a taller, skinner case than what I originally made, but lets you push-pull on the rads. It is more purpose-built than the previous case, though; Design 1 has different air flow and air cooling options, whereas Design 2 is pretty much a watercooling only case. Design 2 also requires the bottom 2/3 of the case to have a little stand-off so that the fans can effectively pull air from one side and exhaust it through the other. On the plus side, this warmed basically never reaches the inside of the case where the mobo and GPU are.

I don't think it's possible to put a separate res inside Design 2. If the GPU is 10.5" or shorter, then I think you can fit a Swiftech MCRES mini reservoir fore of the GPU. They measure 101mm (H) x 38mm (W) x 73mm (D). I suppose the FrozenQ 160mm x 50mm tube res might work too.
Edited by BBEG - 4/7/13 at 9:08pm
    
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Design 3 - Now with mATX and SLI!

Something slightly larger in form factor.



Newness: mATX mobo, ATX PSU, and SLI-capable with a flexible SLI cable.

Again, most thermal dealings are done in the lower part of the case; in this instance, it's the lower 1/3. Two radiators will intake air from the outside, and two 120 fans, positioned fore and aft of the radiators, will exhaust the air back out.

The internal case width would have to accommodate the PSU, meaning at least 150mm. Push-pulling even the thin rads would be almost impossible, so instead just use 45mm rads; 2 of those with their fans would eat up 120mm space, leaving a 30mm gap from which the front and rear fans will pull the warmed air from. The space needed by a GPU + block + Apogee D2 + mobo/standoff/tray using the same math as in Design 2 should be 95mm. If we provide an arbitrary 20mm gap between the Apogee and the GPU block, that least 35mm behind the mobo tray for cabling and hiding storage drives. 150mm internal case width sounds good enough.

Height is a little easier to figure; mATX mobo + 120 rad width. Add a 10mm gap for funzies (actually, for a physical barrier to more definitively isolate the bottom part from the top thermally; thinking a 3mm sheet of acrylic). 244 + 125 + 10 = 379mm internal case height. Call it 380 and be happy.

Depth is kinda tricky. 244 for the mobo, 86 for the PSU. But since the PSU occupies the whole front width, the GPU blocks can't squeeze past; a 330mm internal case depth would give room for a 10" GPU like the GTX 680. It would also give room for a 25mm thick fan on both for and aft of the common 280mm-ish length 240 rads. Seems like a reasonable compromise to me. 330mm case depth it is.

380mm (H) x 150mm (W) x 330mm (D), or 18.8L internally.
    
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Monday night bump; assistance or criticisms welcome!
    
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