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Please advise if OC for i7 3930k Rig with H60 (2nd gen) & a very well ventilated case is dangerous?

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Hi Everyone,

Just wanted to introduce myself. Been building rigs for a long time (going all the way back to the my first x286 build in the late 80s when I was a kid lol!). I a filmmaker, and I video edit and do VFX. I also play my share of shooters and stealth games. I usually never buy the TOP end stuff, because it never stays at the top for long, and is usually overpriced. These days I do a lot of 3DSmax and Vray, Adobe CS5 (primarily After Effects, Premiere, Photoshop and Encore.)

Anyhow I typically like to upgrade my rig completely every 4 years or so, and the video card (usually ATI/AMD) ever other year. I buy quality and buy high end parts that are midway through their cycle (stuff was top end 1 to 2 years ago but has been replaced by newer models) that are now a lot cheaper. I don't usually overclock because I'm a wussy and I usually only use aircoolers/heatsinks.

Anyhow my current computer (since late 2008) is a Q6600 @2.4, 8GB ram @ 266mhz, Radeon HD6670, 2TB 7200 HD, Corsair 650PSU. The case has like 6 80mm fans, and a Coolmaster heatsink/fan cpu cooler (forgot the model.)

I have been doing film grade work for the past 3 - 4 years, and the non HT q6600 has served me quite well (played virtually all modern shooters in 1080p, edited 1080HD but 3D renders, complex After Effect renders and dynamic simulations (fluid, fracture, flame, dust, smoke) really slow this thing to a crawl, and take FOREVER (I have waited 30 hours+ too many times.)

Anyhow I just bit the bullet and ordered my next (and most impressive) rig. For once I decided to go really high end and get the Sandy Bridge-E, as I heard 3DSmax, AE and Premiere use the 6 core, 12 threads very efficently. My new system is as follows:

Intel i7 3930k @ 3.2 (3.8 Turbo)
Asus P9X79 Mobo with Raid/Sata III
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32GB Kingston HyperX Beast 2400Mhz DDR3
Ultra 850 PSU (Cert 80+ Silver)
3 TB Seagate Barracuda 7200 RPM
Asus 12x Blu-Ray Burner
Azza Solano 1000 (2x 230 fans, 5 120mm fans)
Corsair H60 Hydro series coolor (2nd Gen) with Matched SP120 fans in Push/Pull

** 240 GB SSD for OS and Programs (Will add this in a few months as I am broke from the rest of this!)

Anyhow the parts have been ordered and I will put it together on Wed next week. I have heard that you can easily overclock the 3930k to 4.5 a core, and even 5GHz!!!

I have never been big on overclocking (been too chicken to burn my chip with air cooling), but with the multiple H60's reviews saying the 2nd generation H60 can keep up with the H100i on a i7 3770, I am begining to wonder if I should try to push this system to 4.5GHz??

The jump from 3.8 in turbo mode to 4.5 would still be almost a full GHz higher, and would really make this thing a rendering beast. However, the rendering will take 5-12 hours at time with MAX LOAD (5 cores out of 6, 11 threads at 100%... 1 core reserved for system) and I don't want to kill this chip or damage it.

Am I right to believe that the H60 probably won't be enough to run this a 4.5GHz 24/7 or during long renders? Should I even try? Will the perfomance gain of 3.8 to 4.5 be worth it?

Thanks for your input.
Edited by pathart777 - 4/8/13 at 1:34am
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Hi Everyone,

Just wanted to introduce myself. I'm in my late 30s and have been building PC rigs for myself for a long time (going all the way back to the my first 80286 build in the 80s lol!). At first it was just go gaming rigs (in 80s and 90s OpenGL and SoundBlaster), then also for work as well (I a part-time filmmaker, and I video edit and do VFX). I usually never buy the TOP end stuff, because it never stays at the top for long, and is usually overpriced. These days I do a lot of 3DSmax and Vray, Adobe CS5 (primarily After Effects, Premiere, Photoshop and Encore.)

Anyhow I typically like to upgrade my rig completely every 4 years or so, and the video card (usually ATI/AMD) ever other year. I buy quality and buy high end parts that are midway through their cycle (stuff was top end 1 to 2 years ago but has been replaced by newer models) that are now a lot cheaper. I don't usually overclock because I'm a wussy and I usually only use aircoolers/heatsinks.

Anyhow my current computer (since late 2008) is a Q6600 @2.4, 8GB ram @ 266mhz, Radeon HD6670, 2TB 7200 HD, Corsair 650PSU. The case has like 6 80mm fans, and a Coolmaster heatsink/fan cpu cooler (forgot the model.)

I have been doing film grade work for the past 3 - 4 years, and the non HT q6600 has served me quite well (played virtually all modern shooters in 1080p, edited 1080HD but 3D renders, complex After Effect renders and dynamic simulations (fluid, fracture, flame, dust, smoke) really slow this thing to a crawl, and take FOREVER (I have waited 30 hours+ too many times.)

Anyhow I just bit the bullet and ordered my next (and most impressive) rig. For once I decided to go really high end and get the Sandy Bridge-E, as I heard 3DSmax, AE and Premiere use the 6 core, 12 threads very efficently. My new system is as follows:

Intel i7 3930k @ 3.2 (3.8 Turbo)
Asus P9X79 Mobo with Raid/Sata III
Sapphire HD7950 Flex 3GB GDDR5 @925MHz Boost
32GB Kingston HyperX Beast 2400Mhz DDR3
Ultra 850 PSU (Cert 80+ Silver)
3 TB Seagate Barracuda 7200 RPM
Asus 12x Blu-Ray Burner
Azza Solano 1000 (2x 230 fans, 5 120mm fans)
Corsair H60 Hydro series coolor (2nd Gen) with Matched SP120 fans in Push/Pull

** 240 GB SSD for OS and Programs (Will add this in a few months as I am broke from the rest of this!)

Anyhow the parts have been ordered and I will put it together on Wed next week. I have heard that you can easily overclock the 3930k to 4.5 a core, and even 5GHz!!!

I have never been big on overclocking (been too chicken to burn my chip with air cooling), but with the multiple H60's reviews saying the 2nd generation H60 can keep up with the H100i on a i7 3770, I am begining to wonder if I should try to push this system to 4.5GHz??

The jump from 3.8 in turbo mode to 4.5 would still be almost a full GHz higher, and would really make this thing a rendering beast. However, the rendering will take 5-12 hours at time with MAX LOAD (5 cores out of 6, 11 threads at 100%... 1 core reserved for system) and I don't want to kill this chip or damage it.

Am I right to believe that the H60 probably won't be enough to run this a 4.5GHz 24/7 or during long renders? Should I even try? Will the perfomance gain of 3.8 to 4.5 be worth it?

Thanks for your input.

the h60 really isn't the best choice for a 3930k,,,h100i or h80i,,
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the h60 really isn't the best choice for a 3930k,,,h100i or h80i,,

Yeah, I know, but because the Solano case has a side 230mm fan on the case door, I'm afraid it won't close with an H80 as the H60 will barely fit in case's back exhaust port and still clear the 230mm fan. The only other option would be to remove the case's top 230mm vent fan for a H100i (which I don't want to do, since the main reason I bought this case was because of the two 230mm fans.)

I have read many reviews of the H60 (2nd gen) and the improvments in design that Corsair have made really seem to have made it much more robust. In nearly all review benchmarks, the H60 (2nd gen) only trailed behind the H80i and H100i by1 or 2 degrees C under full load.

So this brings me back to my question. Which all of the ventilation and airflow in my case (which moves a LOT of air) and the H60 with matched Corsair SP120 high static pressure fans, do you guys think it is safe to try to overclock my rig, or should I just be happy to stay at stock speeds (3.8 turbo) because the system will be on max load for extended periods of time?

I am starting to think I should probably just play it safe and keep it at stock with the H60, and then try to overclock when I upgrade to a different case and a H100 in a few years.
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Yeah, I know, but because the Solano case has a side 230mm fan on the case door, I'm afraid it won't close with an H80 as the H60 will barely fit in case's back exhaust port and still clear the 230mm fan. The only other option would be to remove the case's top 230mm vent fan for a H100i (which I don't want to do, since the main reason I bought this case was because of the two 230mm fans.)

I have read many reviews of the H60 (2nd gen) and the improvments in design that Corsair have made really seem to have made it much more robust. In nearly all review benchmarks, the H60 (2nd gen) only trailed behind the H80i and H100i by1 or 2 degrees C under full load.

So this brings me back to my question. Which all of the ventilation and airflow in my case (which moves a LOT of air) and the H60 with matched Corsair SP120 high static pressure fans, do you guys think it is safe to try to overclock my rig, or should I just be happy to stay at stock speeds (3.8 turbo) because the system will be on max load for extended periods of time?

I am starting to think I should probably just play it safe and keep it at stock with the H60, and then try to overclock when I upgrade to a different case and a H100 in a few years.

those reviews are all great,,except the h60 will be running at 80-90%,,,,,while the h100 will be running at 50-60% to get the same result,,and its gonna sound like a shopvac
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Ok, so it may be loud, but there is really no room for a H80i or bigger in this case at the moment. I don't mind the sound much, but if it means it may overheat the rad and cause it to explode, then I don't want to risk it at all. So if someone can please clarify a bit further...

My question is basically is this safe to try to overclock a 3930k with tons of air cooling (230mm intake, 230mm exhaust, 4 120mm intakes) on a H60 (2nd gen) with high static pressure matched fans in push/pull (against the rear exhaust port, sucking in cool air from outside through the rad)? If it is making the H60 work at 80-90% but it is safe, I don't mind if it is a bit loud. If rendering under max 100% load for extended period of time (6hrs-24hrs) at a time, can cause the rad to explode or fail, then I don't want to risk it.

Should I just be settle for stock speeds and play it safe as the H60 is a bit small for this hot a CPU (130w)? It's really a shame since I should be able to overclock to 4.5 if the cooling can handle it right? What kind of performance leap would I get jumping from 3.8 GHz to 4.5GHz? Roughly 25% right?

More opinons would be greatly appreciated. Thanks,
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Your probably better off with a good air-cooler like the Noctua NH D14. A friend of mine runs one on his 3930k and comfortably reaches 4.8ghz stable 24/7 and its quiet. Or if you really want to go water try a swiftech H220 because the H60 is really quite a weak unit and not really matched for such a powerful processor.
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Your probably better off with a good air-cooler like the Noctua NH D14. A friend of mine runs one on his 3930k and comfortably reaches 4.8ghz stable 24/7 and its quiet. Or if you really want to go water try a swiftech H220 because the H60 is really quite a weak unit and not really matched for such a powerful processor.

Thanks for the advice. I was originally going air cooled, but because of the damn 230mm case door fan on my case won't allow for a tower style air cooler / heatsink (and also my ram heatsinks are high, and it will not fit on the L2011 board layout on my mobo) so I have to go with an water cooler.

I'm probably going to use the H60 on the 3930k for only a few weeks (with light rendering - no 12 hour render sessions) then upgrade go to a H100i once I can figure out how to re-arrange my fans. I will then use the H60 on my Q6600 (which will be a slave to my new rig in the render farm setup I'm putting together), so I can try to overclock that from 2.4GHz to 3.2GHz (if possible.)

I have heard of others using the H60 for 3930k, so it should be ok if I run it at stock speeds for a couple weeks without putting it thru prolonged max load sessions (12-24hr stress tests or renders), right?
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Thanks for the advice. I was originally going air cooled, but because of the damn 230mm case door fan on my case won't allow for a tower style air cooler / heatsink (and also my ram heatsinks are high, and it will not fit on the L2011 board layout on my mobo) so I have to go with an water cooler.

I'm probably going to use the H60 on the 3930k for only a few weeks (with light rendering - no 12 hour render sessions) then upgrade go to a H100i once I can figure out how to re-arrange my fans. I will then use the H60 on my Q6600 (which will be a slave to my new rig in the render farm setup I'm putting together), so I can try to overclock that from 2.4GHz to 3.2GHz (if possible.)

I have heard of others using the H60 for 3930k, so it should be ok if I run it at stock speeds for a couple weeks without putting it thru prolonged max load sessions (12-24hr stress tests or renders), right?

ya it should be ok for some lighter work and no overclocking,,,,if it runs really hot the chip will just degrade faster,,,i dont think your case will support a H100i on top,,probably a good idea to get a bigger better case

the NZXT switch 810 is a good one for water cooling,,,i wouldnt even get an H80i,,if your gonna go water get the biggest you can get,,thats a powerful chip,,,and sounds like your gonna work the crap out of it

and there are lots of other closed loop water coolers also
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I just finished assembling a similar rig, 3930k, 32gb Hyperx Beast, Rampage IV Formula. Going to install windows tomorrow then see what I can get out of the CPU. Any tips on getting the most out of the CPU and ram are appreciated.
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I just finished assembling a similar rig, 3930k, 32gb Hyperx Beast, Rampage IV Formula. Going to install windows tomorrow then see what I can get out of the CPU. Any tips on getting the most out of the CPU and ram are appreciated.

Likewise. You're one step ahead of me my friend. I'm still on my Q6600 typing this. My 3930k arrives Wednesday with 80% of the remaining parts to assemble my beast. I'm just doing my research / killing time till she arrives.

But yeah, I will share what I find, and please do the same... especially interested in your ram timings at 2400MHz, as I decided I'm not going to overclock for a while. Once I get her up and stable at 2400 memory, I will post my timings too.
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