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I have 32GB (8x4) of HyperX blu 1600Mhz ram. It is rated at 1600 @ 1.5v, with 10-10-10-27 2T timings. it is quite stable at those settings. I recently overclocked it to 1866 with the same timings and voltage. It appeared to be stable. I ran a pass with Memtest86, ran heaven, played Xonitic. Plus I imported and converted a rather large CAD file of a skeleton into Blender (I used like 9GB of memory during that process:-D).

Everything I have read implies that greater voltage and looser timing is need for stability for overclocked ram. That doesn't seem to be true in this case.

So,

1.) From experience, do any of you know if overclocking ram, in the manner described above, will drastically shorten the lifespan of my ram or CPU?

2.) Would it reasonable to assume that Kingston's suggested timings are too conservative, since I'm able to achieve a higher stable clock than the recommended 1600 with the recommended timings?

3.) With that in mind, is it possible to damage or add wear to my components by tightening the timings only?

I wouldn't concern myself with any of this, but my FX-8350 really seemed to like the memory running at 1866. I actually noticed improvement while I was working with the 3D skeleton, as I had previously did the same process with the stock ram clock. Time is money. I do a lot of memory intensive task. Speeding up my work flow is a big deal to me. Still, this machine is mission critical. If overclocking my ram will cause it to die unexpectedly, I would consider buying a higher rated set of ram instead of overclocking. Hmm... or overclock now and buy higher rated backup ram!

For further reference I have two of these kits: Kingston HyperX Blu KHX1600C10D3B1K2/16G http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3683258&CatId=4534. I have an Asus M5A99X EVO R2.0. I'm running Ubuntu Studio 12.10. My 8350 is running at stock settings.Though, I think listed all of that just a bit ago when I signed up at this site. One more thing I have pretty good airflow in my HAF 912 case. 2 200mm fans and 2 120mm.

Any advise on this matter would be greatly appreciated.
Edited by FunkyPresident - 4/8/13 at 5:33pm
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I finally found a decent memory speed test for Linux (ramsmp, an smp version of ramspeed) and it told me that my question was irrelevant. I tested the read and write speeds at 1600 and 1866, only to find that there was very very little gain. Time Wasted. Lesson Learned. Not at all worth it. The perceived gains I noted in the OP must have been in my head. I can only hope someone else reads this and it saves them some time.
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Read this, it will help you out.

http://www.overclock.net/t/933649/northbridge-speed-and-low-ram-timing-significance-on-amd-platforms

To answer the questions in your initial post.

1. No,the lifespan of your components will be just fine. Overvolting is the main reason of degredation, not overclocking.

2. With your RAM, I would go for 7-7-7-20-1T (very optimistic aim) or 9-9-9-24 (more "real" aim)@ 1.65v-1.70v Max. That amount of voltage is acceptable.
My bet is your RAM can do far better, but if you really want to see good performance improvements, the NB Freq at 2700MHz-3000MHz combined with tighter RAM timings is your aim.

3.Again,no. By default any RAM module should be able to give you a +10% of rated speed increase. Your RAM can do better than that. So, your RAM will not be damaged.
But from your configuration I see a minor problem. You have all your memory slots populated, which is stressful for the IMC (Integrated Memory Controler). The IMC is in the CPU chip. It allows the CPU to communicate with the memory. The problem is that if you want to achieve the numbers above,you have to try with only 2x8 (16Gb) at first, with the RAM voltage set at 1.6v. thumb.gif
Sidenote. When you mess with your RAM timings only change one value at a time, otherwise you may need to Clear CMOS and start over. UNLESS you have found tighter timings that you know to be working, so you just apply them and be done with it.
And use a program such as Prime 95 for stress testing and memtest+ to check for errors when you tighten the timings.
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Hello, set the voltage to 1.65, and try to make the timings shorter, if you manage to lower every CAS number, expect to see a diffrence in speediness as it effects it more than MHZ
     
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Thanks for the advice. I may try to tighten the timings. However, I really like having 32GB of ram available, so I doubt I would want to remove two sticks. I know it sounds crazy, but I use a lot of memory. The configuration I have know allows me to run multiple virtual machines, with ample memory for each. I prototype my application servers as VMs and often have to run a VM of Windows at the same time.

@Grmadness: When you say four sticks is stressful to the IMC, do you mean that it is limiting my ram speed/timings or is it hard on the chip?

I starting to think I should build another rig just to overclock. A toy. I know the 8350 is capable of a lot more than how I'm using it, but I'm extra paranoid about overclocking, because I use this machine for production. I do love this processor. I run a lot of apps that actually use all 8 cores, even at stock speed the performance is great!
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Ya know what? Why not OC the CPU first?

Second, the IMC is the memory manager, it has to communicate to the 4 sticks, and stresses it a bit more to have 4, dont worry about iut, but if you had only 2, you would have a bit more OC potential. OC the RAM is more visibal in benchmarks than anything, and unless you run 100% ram everyday it wont help much TBH, btu when you OC your CPU, it starts to make a big dif
     
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I see what your saying about it not being much of a gain. I tried a variety of clock and timing setting and noticed almost no difference. 1333 cl9, 1600 cl9, 1600 10-10-10-27 (recommended by Kingston), 1866 10-10-10-27 and 1866 9-10-9-25. All of those booted, but the 1866s failed in memtest86 5.0. The 10-10-10-27 failed like an hour in on random numbers. Perhaps it would have work with higher voltage or if I had removed two sticks. I wanted to get something to work with 32GB and I couldn't set the higher. When entered a higher voltage, it saved it but still kept it at 1.5 in spite of the setting. I think I needed to change something in the "DIGI Power" menu, but I wasn't sure what to set to get more voltage. I will say the 1866 9-10-9 was mad when I ran ramsmp. It gained almost 3GB/s over 1600. Anyway screw it. I'll mess with it later. I'm going to be busy the next couple weeks.

I have my eye on this board. It's badass. First PCIe 3.0 for AMD. When I get it, I'll put another system together with my current board to overclock. I need a new hobby.

http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/SABERTOOTH_990FXGEN3_R20/
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That is the best board for AM3+, just because of that, GOD i like ASUS!
     
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