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Do a little research.. and not just on forums etc.. and you can see the facts for yourself.. maybe you can prove both of us wrong tongue.gif.
OP please let us know how your earthing problem goes? Keep us updated maybe we can still help more. I hope your landlord is reasonable smile.gif

 

But, that means I have to do some work. I just want to go out and play. :P

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We can only agree to disagree. Ohms law cannot kill anyone. It is just a law lol. A law is not a physical thing.. its a rule. You may be thinking of ohm's which is a measurement of resistance. Since that is a constant you have to assume that either voltage or amperage is what kills. The amps dont "magically" change but they do in relation to the voltage. Voltage goes up means more amps. If the resistance is high enough that means the voltage will be high and the amps can still remain low (refer to the formula). So logic dictates if the resistance in your body is low... the voltage can be low for the amps to be quite high. The lower the resistance the less voltage is divided by the ohms right?? Which means high amps. I could be mistaken my friend and I think this is a discussion for a separate thread. We can both agree that no earth = bad time for the OP right? OP disregard this convo, all you need to know is earth is important and dont just keep trying new PSU's. Look into this issue carefully
Which is my point, YOUR BODY RESISTANCE + SOURCE VOLTAGE MATTERS. But to shorten that up it's ohms law.
Again if you think you are right i invite you to EEVBlog to argue your point, it's been well known to electronics engineers that the difference between 10amps and 200mA 220V circuits is that they both kill you given low enough resistance.
Thinking amps kill you is a sign of limited knowledge of ohms law and electricity in general! Unless it's A LIMITED CURRENT SOURCE. (Limited to 20mA~)
So if i was a layman by your original statement a 100Amp constant capable 12V source will kill be but a 200mA 220V won't right? OF COURSE NOT.
I haven't studied 5-6 years of electronics for nothing wink.gif
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Lol you are just wrong mate. Dont know what they teach you in school. I have tutors and electricians telling me otherwise. Dont even know how much simpler I can explain it. I dont need to go to blogs where children give theyre OPINIONS (yes I can use capitals too). Both 200mA and 10A is lethal well done professor since I mentioned that 100mA kills. When you say that ohms law kills you are not making sense. Ohms law is simply an explanation... a theory. Its like saying I was arrested by a law... no a police officer arrested me and the law explains why. If you are saying that the voltage and resistance are what kills you, then you prove my point. Amperes are a measurement of voltage in relation to resistance.. dont u get it? Voltage / Resistance IS AMPS. if youre saying voltage and resistance then that is Amps.. now youre not going to convince me all these people are wrong so u can PM me if you want to discuss this peacefully
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Man, yeah, the pursuit of more perfect knowledge should be fun and exciting if it's about something you love. I guess I'm just weird. :)

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Man, yeah, the pursuit of more perfect knowledge should be fun and exciting if it's about something you love. I guess I'm just weird. smile.gif
Yeah I'm with u there but its only a matter of time before people disagree tongue.gif. Its good to talk about stuff, no one is perfect but were at a crossroads... one of us was taught wrong... but if I'm wrong then so are many other people I have spoken with, which is why I cant give up lol... gotta keep learning mate and I don't believe anything on forums until I see for myself. I still think its a matter of misinterpretation or miscommunication here.
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Lol you are just wrong mate. Dont know what they teach you in school. I have tutors and electricians telling me otherwise. Dont even know how much simpler I can explain it. I dont need to go to blogs where children give theyre OPINIONS (yes I can use capitals too). Both 200mA and 10A is lethal well done professor since I mentioned that 100mA kills. When you say that ohms law kills you are not making sense. Ohms law is simply an explanation... a theory. Its like saying I was arrested by a law... no a police officer arrested me and the law explains why. If you are saying that the voltage and resistance are what kills you, then you prove my point. Amperes are a measurement of voltage in relation to resistance.. dont u get it? Voltage / Resistance IS AMPS. if youre saying voltage and resistance then that is Amps.. now youre not going to convince me all these people are wrong so u can PM me if you want to discuss this peacefully
That's not what i learn in school whatever i learn in school is more warped than your logic. VOLTAGE / RESISTANCE IS NOT AMPS. Amps = measure of current. Amperage IS NOT A MEASUREMENT OF VOLTAGE DUDE. It's a FUNCTION of voltage and resistance BUT IT IS CURRENT FLOW. Current flows where potential difference, current is how many electrons are flowing. Electrons only flow given enough AND resistance (low enough)
Saying Amps kill is like saying Electrons can kill you WITHOUT any PD or resistance in the matter
YA HAVE TO SAY IT CORRECTLY. 12V 100A source is not going to kill anyone BUT a 220V 100mA source will, given enough resistance
LIKE I SAID STOP ARGUING AND GO TO EEVBLOG TO GET SOME KNOWLEDGE.
I didn't learn all this from school but did it on my own
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Damn. Can't you teach instead of like, fight?


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http://electrical.about.com/od/electricalsafety/a/amperagekills.htm

http://gizmodo.com/5262971/giz-explains-how-electrocution-really-kills-you

http://www.techspot.com/community/topics/amperage-vs-voltage-which-is-more-dangerous.8532/

http://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/1664/is-it-the-current-that-kills-you-not-the-voltage

http://bigquestion.wordpress.com/2008/03/11/how-many-volts-of-electricity-would-it-take-to-kill-someone/

http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/1998-08/899698536.Eg.r.html

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_will_kill_you_amps_or_volts

http://engineering.dartmouth.edu/safety/electrical/TheFatalCurrent.html

Since you wont listen just read that. I could show you links to various physics lectures here but you wont get it.
And I know what current is, its what has the potential to kill you. Current is what surges through your body thanks to the Voltage. Electricity kills you by interrupting your heart rhythm

Mate you will notice that the last link is from Dartmouth... that is a College. You have been learning on your own and I respect that but you are wrong. sorry but you cant convince me and you cant possibly tell me that all those sites are wrong... don't even bother
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My friend I see whats happened LOL!!! OK so that blog you sent me to, that's in relation to hardware..... HARDWARE is not HUMAN FLESH... of course circuits will fail because of Voltage mate. Any circuit board will fail because of voltage waaaaaay before amps have anything to do with it. Please tell me this is the misunderstanding I was thinking of, I wasn't ready to believe you are ignorant.
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hate to break it to you but volts/ resistance is amps, that is how you find a motors amp draw when the nameplate is missing i use it in hvac.....
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Koolance Radiator Mounting Bracket with Quick-R... Swiftech Komodo 7970 Windows 7 Windows 8  
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ASUS VG248QE Black 24" 144Hz 1ms  ASUS VG248QE Black 24" 144Hz 1ms  ASUS VG248QE Black 24" 144Hz 1ms  XFX FXTRISTAND Triple Display Monitor Stand  
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Logitech G510 XFX pro 1250w black edition Caselabs MAGNUM M8 Case Razer Naga 
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Sony 2.1 Razer Megalodon XFX pro 1250w black edition 
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8350 batch 1229 pgn  Asus Crosshair V Formula-Z gigabyte 7770 OC gigabyte 7770 OC 
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F3-2400C10D-16GTX OCZ agaility 3 120  OCZ Agility 3 120gb  Seagate 7200rpm 1tb 
Optical DriveOptical DriveCoolingCooling
Pioneer BDR-208DBK Rosewill RCR-IM5001 USB2.0 75 in 1 internal Car... Swiftech MCP-35X White Top Swiftech Quiet Power 240  
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Swiftech Apogee HD Windows 7 Windows 8 LG E2242 
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LG E2242 RAZER Black Lycosa Mirror Special Edition Seasonic x660 Cooler Master Storm Stryker 
Mouse
Razer Lachesis 
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FX 6100 Sabertooth 990fx R2.0 XFX 7770 Core Edition Samsung 1600 2x4 
RAMHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Samsung 1600 2x4 Unknown as of now  Piorneer BDR-208DBK Swiftech H220  
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Windows 8  Samsung 60" 120hz 3d LED TV Unknown Seasonic x750 
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Cooler Master Storm Stryker Unknown Pioneer 5.1 
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AMD FX-8350 Gigabyte 990FXA-UD7 R7970-2PMD3GD5/OC  R7970-2PMD3GD5/OC  
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R7970-2PMD3GD5/OC  R7970-2PMD3GD5/OC  F3-2400C10D-16GTX  OCZ Agility 3 120GB  
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OCZ Agility 3 120GB  Seagate Barracuda 1TB  Segate Barracuda 3TB Rosewill RCR-IM5001 USB2.0 75 in 1 internal Car... 
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Pioneer BDR-208DBK Blu-ray Writer Swiftech H20-220 EDGE HD Liquid Cooling Kit Swiftech Komodo 7970 Swiftech MCP-35X2 
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Swiftech MCP35X2 Heat Sink Swiftech MCP35X Reservoir Swiftech Komodo 7970 Swiftech Komodo 7970 
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Alphacool 240mm XT45 Alphacool 120mm XT45 Alphacool 120mm UT60 FrozenQ PC Mods UV Meteor Light Limited Edition... 
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Koolance Radiator Mounting Bracket with Quick-R... Swiftech Komodo 7970 Windows 7 Windows 8  
MonitorMonitorMonitorMonitor
ASUS VG248QE Black 24" 144Hz 1ms  ASUS VG248QE Black 24" 144Hz 1ms  ASUS VG248QE Black 24" 144Hz 1ms  XFX FXTRISTAND Triple Display Monitor Stand  
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech G510 XFX pro 1250w black edition Caselabs MAGNUM M8 Case Razer Naga 
AudioAudioOther
Sony 2.1 Razer Megalodon XFX pro 1250w black edition 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
8350 batch 1229 pgn  Asus Crosshair V Formula-Z gigabyte 7770 OC gigabyte 7770 OC 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
F3-2400C10D-16GTX OCZ agaility 3 120  OCZ Agility 3 120gb  Seagate 7200rpm 1tb 
Optical DriveOptical DriveCoolingCooling
Pioneer BDR-208DBK Rosewill RCR-IM5001 USB2.0 75 in 1 internal Car... Swiftech MCP-35X White Top Swiftech Quiet Power 240  
CoolingOSOSMonitor
Swiftech Apogee HD Windows 7 Windows 8 LG E2242 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
LG E2242 RAZER Black Lycosa Mirror Special Edition Seasonic x660 Cooler Master Storm Stryker 
Mouse
Razer Lachesis 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
FX 6100 Sabertooth 990fx R2.0 XFX 7770 Core Edition Samsung 1600 2x4 
RAMHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Samsung 1600 2x4 Unknown as of now  Piorneer BDR-208DBK Swiftech H220  
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 8  Samsung 60" 120hz 3d LED TV Unknown Seasonic x750 
CaseMouseAudio
Cooler Master Storm Stryker Unknown Pioneer 5.1 
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