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@KenjiS I posted a comparison of both monitors in sRGB and AdobeRGB Modes respectively. Waiting for moderation because of image.

It's fixed Now smile.gif . The system thought you were a spammer tongue.gif
post #2772 of 3079
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Ok, Here is a direct comparison of my both Monitors, I haven't thought of what to do with U2711 yet. I have to rely on my Lumia 920 Camera here, I set the white point to Sunlight for this Image.

U2713HM is in sRGB Preset
U2711 is in AdobeRGB Preset





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So weird seeing my image on someone elses screen! lol.. Should be no surprise (as I work in sRGB) that the 2713HM(On the left) looks to have recreated the image the way I wanted it to look. (Of course the 2711 would too if calibrated to sRGB) Sadly this illustrates why I stuck with sRGB over AdobeRGB.

The 2711's AG coating sounds like the one on my 2410, Very aggressive and etc, One reason I was looking to replace it for day to day use actually. My 2410 will be kept to be my uber-photo-editing screen and whatever I get to replace it will be my new day to day do everything screen. Which is why I also have kinda shyed away from the RoG Swift at this point (The price and the limited utility of 120hz in 90 percent of my usage) basically leaving me with the Asus PB278Q and the Dell 2713HM as my contenders.

But I totally agree on the blaming Microsoft thing, they need to implement better colorspace management to Windows.
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post #2773 of 3079
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So weird seeing my image on someone elses screen! lol.. Should be no surprise (as I work in sRGB) that the 2713HM(On the left) looks to have recreated the image the way I wanted it to look. (Of course the 2711 would too if calibrated to sRGB) Sadly this illustrates why I stuck with sRGB over AdobeRGB.

The 2711's AG coating sounds like the one on my 2410, Very aggressive and etc, One reason I was looking to replace it for day to day use actually. My 2410 will be kept to be my uber-photo-editing screen and whatever I get to replace it will be my new day to day do everything screen. Which is why I also have kinda shyed away from the RoG Swift at this point (The price and the limited utility of 120hz in 90 percent of my usage) basically leaving me with the Asus PB278Q and the Dell 2713HM as my contenders.

But I totally agree on the blaming Microsoft thing, they need to implement better colorspace management to Windows.

The results will vary from unit to unit in a single batch. This is why color standards exist.

As I said earlier it's a paradoxical approach. We can say one DSLR supports AdobeRGB and one has a wide gamut monitor to view it. This is self contradictory, if you want to show your work online or at an exhibition since only you can see what you want to show to others.

Similarly since all displays are different, sRGB is (Adobe RGB is not) a neutral ground for professionals to work in. This way manufacturers just need to conform to a color space providing it as a preset mode.

I do strongly disagree when reviewers say "There is sRGB preset which limits the color space monitor can show". This theory is fundamentally flawed. Or if you go through U2711 threads, you always see an argument that "if you are using sRGB you are not using monitor's full potential". This is also a flawed theory. sRGB is the color space currently in use on internet as well as many printers default to this.

More colors do no mean better image quality. How can you show whats not there in first place. Also if you do succeed to provide a picture you "think" look correct may look completely different on a normal monitor. This is where all the problems are with Wide Gamut monitors. sRGB emulation is not reliable enough or if you calibrated the monitor, that's according to your specific environment.

Yes, Calibration is one area not many people are familiar with, even old TN Panels need to be calibrated, perhaps any monitor you are serious about needs to be calibrated properly according to environment.
post #2774 of 3079
I am sorry if this backlight bleed fix was already posted.

I found a very easy fix for the back light bleed (based on the instructions about removing the bezel and cutting the legs of the USB hub module).

I got the monitor in perfect shape with only one small downside. Little backlight bleed in the lower left corner. Nothing annoying and I could not see it in 99% of the scenarios but still I knew that it was there and that was just annoying.

All I did was just leave the bezel open in the area where the USB hub legs are present. And voila the bleed was gone.

My point is: all of you who experience backlight bleed on your u2713hm / h try to leave the bezel open just in the areas where you see backlight bleed. Keep the bezel locked in its original position in all other areas that are even and without backlight bleed so that there is no danger of panel falling down of its place.

This may save you from the trouble of RMA and getting another unit with the same problem.

I hope that DELL will realize that their plastic housings and bezels are not in perfect shape and a cause for so many problems with these expensive monitors.

Good luck.
Edited by gokica - 3/29/14 at 2:34pm
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I am sorry if this backlight bleed fix was already posted.

I found a very easy fix for the back light bleed (based on the instructions about removing the bezel and cutting the legs of the USB hub module).

I got the monitor in perfect shape with only one small downside. Little backlight bleed in the lower left corner. Nothing annoying and I could not see it in 99% of the scenarios but still I knew that it was there and that was just annoying.

All I did was just leave the bezel open in the area where the USB hub legs are present. And voila the bleed was gone.

My point is: all of you who experience backlight bleed on your u2713hm / h try to leave the bezel open just in the areas where you see backlight bleed. Keep the bezel locked in its original position in all other areas that are even and without backlight bleed so that there is no danger of panel falling down of its place.

This may save you from the trouble of RMA and getting another unit with the same problem.

I hope that DELL will realize that their plastic housings and bezels are not in perfect shape and a cause for so many problems with these expensive monitors.

Good luck.

Kindly elaborate the instructions in a step by step manner. Does it include dismentling your monitor or there are hinges?

BTW all U Series monitors do no have panels tightly tied to casing. Try lightly tapping the scree area where you think light bleed exists.
Panel should be able to move about half a mm in the housing. But don't press it hard.

I have a U2711 too and it has a bleed in top left area. But what I do is lightly tap the screen and bleed usually disappears and doesn't appear until I clean it or put pressure on it.

Its common trick to loosen the screws around monitor housings to correct small bleeding around edges. Though I never tried it with Ultrasharp.
Edited by AlienX - 3/29/14 at 10:38pm
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Kindly elaborate the instructions in a step by step manner. Does it include dismentling your monitor or there are hinges?

BTW all U Series monitors do no have panels tightly tied to casing. Try lightly tapping the scree area where you think light bleed exists.
Panel should be able to move about half a mm in the housing. But don't press it hard.

I have a U2711 too and it has a bleed in top left area. But what I do is lightly tap the screen and bleed usually disappears and doesn't appear until I clean it or put pressure on it.

Its common trick to loosen the screws around monitor housings to correct small bleeding around edges. Though I never tried it with Ultrasharp.

Thank you. I tried tapping. It helped a bit but did not solve the problem.

This fix does not require dismantling or taking the monitor apart. All one needs to do is crack the bezel open around the areas with backlight to solve the problem if the bezel is causing the problem in the first place.

See the left corner in the following image. Only at that corner the bezel is left open.



Also here you can see the bezel left unattached juts until the middle of the vertical side of the monitor:






Some more:







The top part of the bezel is completely closed because no backlight bleed present at the top.

The left and side vertical parts of the bezel are left open from the middle to the bottom (I discovered a small backlight bleed in the right bottom corner as well - near the power on/off light).

The bottom part of the bezel is cracked open on the left and right sides. The middle is pushed inside.

All good now:



Since the bezel is only holding to the main casing with plastic legs I had no need to dismantle the monitor nor unscrew any parts. If I ever want to call for warranty all that I will need to do is just press to close the cracks that I left open in the left and right bottom parts of the bezel and I am good to go.

It took only 5 minutes for the procedure and it is completely harmless.

Edit: For people that do not know how to start crack opening the bezel see this previous post:

http://www.overclock.net/t/1380527/official-dell-u2713hm-2560x1440-semi-glossy-ips-club/1870#post_20734096

Read just the instructions about the bezel opening. DO not remove the screws from the back or turn the monitor facing down with the panel. No need for that.

Start cracking the bezel open from the bottom middle or top and than continue to the sides. Use your fingers but be careful not to scratch the panel. Once you leave enough cracks where the backlight bleed was than press to close the gaps where the monitor has no backlight bleed.

Do not do this with the monitor in the stand. First put it on a flat surface (a bed for example) facing with the panel up so that you can avoid panel falling off if you crack open the bezel completely.
Edited by gokica - 3/30/14 at 6:11am
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Hey people!

If I were to purchase this monitor - the U2713HM - today, how likely would I actually be to receive a proper model? Has there been some fixing to the pretty heavy issues with quality control? I'd rather not replace it multiple times, although I know that replacing it at least once might not be avoidable, which concerns monitor purchase in general. I just want to know, whether under the current revision it is possible to get a model that matches everything some reviews have promised a while ago - including PRAD's test, of course done with an pretty flawless model ...
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I believe that no matter which revision the monitor is there will always be a possibility for faulty panel.

This is a risk with all of these IPS panels. Even all LCD monitors in general.

Maybe only brands that offer so called "cherry picked" panels are somewhat better, like NEC, EZIO and others but I think that such monitors cost a lot more. Also no one can be sure how much "cherry picked" their panels are after all.

You will just have to take the risk which still is not as high as with the Korean monitors and at the same time take in consideration that such risk comes even with 30 inch panels costing $1,500.

I can not be sure but I think that the most annoying issue with the HM - the crosshatching is less to be found these days so we are safe to assume that newer panels are improved somewhat.
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Just take comfort in knowing that Dell will ship you a monitor to replace yours, should it be faulty before they ask you to send one back.
 
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I am have a weird problem when i watch youtube videos there is like screen tearing at the upper 3/4 part of the monitor. it doesnt do it in games. does anyone know why this is happening?
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