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You run an ISP I believe? I can see why you're a little hurt. You lay down the fiber lines and offer free service to every government bureaucracy and I bet you'll get the same breaks. Fiber is not cheap just on its own. Thats why we gave you guys 200 billion dollars in the 90s to lay it down. Except you didn't you squandered it and used it to give yourselves bonuses or contrary laid the line down and then started a dark fiber war with the other ISPs.


Sorry Postal I don't feel a damn bit sorry for you or other ISP owners. I hope google wipes the floor with you.

Not to mention yearly tax breaks, and literally handing ISPs exclusivity contracts, which, in any other industry, is known as antitrust.rolleyes.gif
Well, it's not like antitrust is getting enforced that much in any other industries either.
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Oh right. I forgot how generous the government is. Their generous hearts just love Google so much that they provided them all these benefits absolutely free, with no desire of getting anything in return. rolleyes.gif Listen to yourself!

Well, to be fair, it's easy for the government to be generous with money when nearly half of the people don't pay a net Federal Income tax and when ever you are short on cash, you can just "print" more money and most of all, it isn't your money you are giving out. If politicians had to pay for things out of their own wallets, like normal people, it would be another story all together.
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Oh right. I forgot how generous the government is. Their generous hearts just love Google so much that they provided them all these benefits absolutely free, with no desire of getting anything in return. rolleyes.gif Listen to yourself!

Well, to be fair, it's easy for the government to be generous with money when nearly half of the people don't pay a net Federal Income tax and when ever you are short on cash, you can just "print" more money and most of all, it isn't your money you are giving out. If politicians had to pay for things out of their own wallets, like normal people, it would be another story all together.
You can't just print more money, especially with such an important currency such as the USD. An example of what happens when you do something like that: Zimbawe.
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You can't just print more money, especially with such an important currency such as the USD. An example of what happens when you do something like that: Zimbawe.

Well, there is a huge difference between "can't" and "shouldn't". I agree with you, they SHOULDN'T, but they are. And I use the term "print" loosely, because the Feds aren't even doing that, they are just simply injecting more dollars into the monetary supply by computer. That's the only way they can keep up with what they are doing. If they had to actually "print" money, their presses wouldn't be able to keep up. But I digress, if I say much more it will most likely be locked.

Point being, I object to either AT&T or Google (or anyone else) being given tax payer dollars for this sort of thing. This is something that CAN be done with private funds. It doesn't need the Feds to get behind it (other than to get out of the way with their over the top regulations). If it was such a great and profitable thing to do, the private companies would be lining up to do it themselves with their own money.

Even if you think that this is a wonderful thing and that the Feds should do this, the reality is, we are already WAY overextended in this country with "good ideas" ... to well over $16 trillion dollars (over $125 trillion if you count the unfunded liabilities that are Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid).

And most of my replay wasn't directed at you in particular, just the first line mainly, the rest was just thrown out there in general.
Edited by 47 Knucklehead - 4/14/13 at 9:39am
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I'd pay $20 more for google gigabit to avoid the Nazi regime of AT&T.
    
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Well, to be fair, it's easy for the government to be generous with money when nearly half of the people don't pay a net Federal Income tax and when ever you are short on cash, you can just "print" more money and most of all, it isn't your money you are giving out. If politicians had to pay for things out of their own wallets, like normal people, it would be another story all together.


Im gonna have to call you out on this Knuckle. Sorry, but I can't let you do it.

US Federal Tax Revenue as of 1214 CST April 14 2013 (It will change in mere seconds so I want you to know what TIME I got the information)

Total revenue - 2,523,159,420,000

INCOME TAX (individuals) - 1,169,780,520,000

PAYROLL TAX (we all pay it) - 875,911,400,000

CORPORATE TAX (you know the people sitting on the money) - 244,575,956,000


So don't pull that crap... It's not that somebody doesnt have the money ... The corporations do. We give them all sorts of subsidies and tax breaks.. Jesus they only pay 1/5 of what people who pay income tax do. I am actually surprised its THAT MUCH.


Also , you can print more money. The U.S. has been using quantitative easing for more than 10 years and the world economy hasn't collapsed and inflation has not gone crazy. As someone who knows economics I can't explain why. BY NOW, we should be suffering so much hyper inflation it's ridiculous but we haven't. I have never believed in fiat currencies but maybe they are stronger than previously thought.



All that aside. None of this is a good excuse for the ISPs not to be providing this Gigabit internet. Frankly, The first time I learned what a monopoly was I was about 8 or 9 years old when I asked mom why there was only one cable company.
 
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Yet, they would of never done it unless google did it first.
    
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You run an ISP I believe? I can see why you're a little hurt. You lay down the fiber lines and offer free service to every government bureaucracy and I bet you'll get the same breaks. Fiber is not cheap just on its own. Thats why we gave you guys 200 billion dollars in the 90s to lay it down. Except you didn't you squandered it and used it to give yourselves bonuses or contrary laid the line down and then started a dark fiber war with the other ISPs.


Sorry Postal I don't feel a damn bit sorry for you or other ISP owners. I hope google wipes the floor with you.

In this post;

Someone that has absolutely zero idea what they are talking about. Instead, defaulting to the "victim" role and hating on "the man", all the while tossing out numbers that were simply pulled out of their rectum.

It is more than obvious that even attempting to explain this Nations infrastructure, and the laws pertaining to it, to you wouldn't do a single bit of good. That you are incapable of understanding them, either from being obtuse willfully, or just lacking the capacity for objective reasoning.

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Oh right. I forgot how generous the government is. Their generous hearts just love Google so much that they provided them all these benefits absolutely free, with no desire of getting anything in return. rolleyes.gif Listen to yourself!

Local Government =/= Regional, State, or National Government.

It is well published fact that both of the KC provided massive incentives to bring Google in. Anyone that is willing to argue they didn't is blind, as it has been published several times over.
    
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Someone that has absolutely zero idea what they are talking about. Instead, defaulting to the "victim" role and hating on "the man", all the while tossing out numbers that were simply pulled out of their rectum.

It is more than obvious that even attempting to explain this Nations infrastructure, and the laws pertaining to it, to you wouldn't do a single bit of good. That you are incapable of understanding them, either from being obtuse willfully, or just lacking the capacity for objective reasoning.
Local Government =/= Regional, State, or National Government.

It is well published fact that both of the KC provided massive incentives to bring Google in. Anyone that is willing to argue they didn't is blind, as it has been published several times over.

Wow..I'm surprised you tried. Listening to people argue about fiat currency is hilarious for me as it's like arguing against having electricity when we could all just use candles. There's a pro and con to everything and thinking gold is such a great thing is forgetting what coincided with the massive jumps in technology and standard of living that came with fiat money under well managed direction. Of course...that can cave in when people mess with it but sometimes people need to think more than just black and white.
     
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You run an ISP I believe? I can see why you're a little hurt. You lay down the fiber lines and offer free service to every government bureaucracy and I bet you'll get the same breaks. Fiber is not cheap just on its own. Thats why we gave you guys 200 billion dollars in the 90s to lay it down. Except you didn't you squandered it and used it to give yourselves bonuses or contrary laid the line down and then started a dark fiber war with the other ISPs.


Sorry Postal I don't feel a damn bit sorry for you or other ISP owners. I hope google wipes the floor with you.

In this post;

Someone that has absolutely zero idea what they are talking about. Instead, defaulting to the "victim" role and hating on "the man", all the while tossing out numbers that were simply pulled out of their rectum.

It is more than obvious that even attempting to explain this Nations infrastructure, and the laws pertaining to it, to you wouldn't do a single bit of good. That you are incapable of understanding them, either from being obtuse willfully, or just lacking the capacity for objective reasoning.

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Originally Posted by Stealth Pyros View Post

Oh right. I forgot how generous the government is. Their generous hearts just love Google so much that they provided them all these benefits absolutely free, with no desire of getting anything in return. rolleyes.gif Listen to yourself!

Local Government =/= Regional, State, or National Government.

It is well published fact that both of the KC provided massive incentives to bring Google in. Anyone that is willing to argue they didn't is blind, as it has been published several times over.
Are you or are you not an ISP? Don't skip over questions when replying to a post. And no, they are REAL numbers. There's a difference between you not knowing them and them actually having happened.
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