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if they can fit a GT620M in a ultrabook, or a 650M in a laptop with the height of a tablet (macbook pro retinas), then i cant see a reason why computers shall be produced after that day.

It'll be a 620/650M and not exactly a titan @5ghz haswell or even remotely comparable to say a 7770+i5 which you can build for like $650 or some **** using high quality parts
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Originally Posted by Kitler View Post

It is hard to watch your number one hobby slowly die.

Even if we do become niche market that means our prices are going to skyrocket due to supply and demand.

That's not really how that works, the number of non-pc enthusiasts that buy enthusiast type parts is beyond minuscule, we alone drive the supply of these parts, so the non-enthusiast mainstream STILL not buying them isn't gonna change anything lol. Sure we will see a decline in super low-end gpus and other basic upgrades to low-cost workstations since the market for computers that use them is shrinking, but John Doe throwing out his macbook or thinkpad in favor of an iPad or Android Tablet isn't gonna have even the slightest affect on how many waterblocks EK sells per year, or the number of Titans nvidia ships per month. they weren't buying such things when PCs were in their prime, why would them still not buying such parts change anything?

As it is, we enthusiasts are fine as long as we are still interested in such things. A day may come where a tablet comes out that can play the latest games in 1600p with a constant temp of 35C, or something equally crazy in the mobile segment that causes a mass enthusiast migration, but as it is, we are fine, and our hobby is fine as we are the whole market.
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That's not really how that works, the number of non-pc enthusiasts that buy enthusiast type parts is beyond minuscule, we alone drive the supply of these parts, so the non-enthusiast mainstream STILL not buying them isn't gonna change anything lol. Sure we will see a decline in super low-end gpus and other basic upgrades to low-cost workstations since the market for computers that use them is shrinking, but John Doe throwing out his macbook or thinkpad in favor of an iPad or Android Tablet isn't gonna have even the slightest affect on how many waterblocks EK sells per year, or the number of Titans nvidia ships per month. they weren't buying such things when PCs were in their prime, why would them still not buying such parts change anything?

As it is, we enthusiasts are fine as long as we are still interested in such things. A day may come where a tablet comes out that can play the latest games in 1600p with a constant temp of 35C, or something equally crazy in the mobile segment that causes a mass enthusiast migration, but as it is, we are fine, and our hobby is fine as we are the whole market.

It does effect the enthusiast market in a way. Those low end GPUs are probably a larger money maker than the new Titan series for Nvidia. That is less money coming into the discrete GPU division meaning less R&D.

And even prebuilt computers will have the CPUs the enthusiast market uses...they just don't overclock them. Less money going into a market hurts every one.

Though you are right that we are not 100% dependent on the low end market. The supply of hardware for us will not change...it just might not get as much R&D budget and some of the smaller suppliers might close up shop.
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post #74 of 92
A fair point, I suppose it's naive to say there will be no affect, but I feel fairly certain there is no risk of any of this causing major change in the enthusiast market any time soon rolleyes.gif
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In saying "low end" just how low are each of you talking about? Sub-660/7870 I would say vendors might have problems, but the midrange cards(660[ti] and 7870) is where they make a lot of their money. I don't remember where I saw it, but back before the 600 and 7900s were released I read market share reports which had the 560ti and similarly-matched cards as the most-purchased of the series. I don't know how true that holds today with the current series, but I would imagine it has not changed much.
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If I had to label it, by low-end I'm talking like sub-650/7770 type cards, though then again those are still used in HTPCs
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Last I checked anything with a power plug is not going into a mainstream non-gaming PC. The majority of cards will be HD 54xx, HD 64xx, HD 75xx, Hd 76xx (all Northern Islands rebrands), GT 520, GT 640 / GT 630 / GT 620 (all Fermi rebrands).

In Dell XPS (HD 7870) ) , HP HPE you might see a GTX 660/ HD7870/HD7950 if you make a custom configuration. Alienwares (owned by Dell) are a different story, you can get a GTX 690 if you wanted.

Cyberpower/ibuyPower, Velocity Micro, Origin, Xi Computer, Falcon Northwest, etc don't constitute what you see at big box stores like Best Buy, Target, Staples, Officemax, Walmart, Costco, TigerDirect, etc.
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I'll still take a laptop over a tablet any day smile.gif

Agreed, typing or trying to do something business related on a tablet would make me want to punch someone in the face. I'll stick with my laptop. The thing is almost everyone that has a tablet still has a laptop, there is also as everyone has mentioned just no incentive to buy a new PC year in and year out less you do what we do, which is what less than 3% of the market?
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All brands have solid products, but Lenovo strikes me as being built with office work in mind. thumb.gif
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I just bought my wife a Lenovo z585 laptop with an A10. The thing is great, and was priced great as well.
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