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Ubuntu is the entry point to linux, installing software is mega easy

A tip .run files right click, properties tick 'allow as executable'

That's the only hardship, if people on a computer forum cant do that?

This. I see people all over forums like "I can't run Minecraft in Ubuntu!"... Just allow it as executable, hey presto. While we're on the topic of performance in Linux, My Minecraft uses ~ 99MB of RAM and I maintain 60FPS in Linux.

In Windows I don't understand why it needs like 768MB or whatever, and still look choppy when it reports 60FPS.

This being said, source games like TF2 and CS:S won't run on very old cards in Linux (such as Radeon X600) because AMD no longer make drivers for them (for obvious reasons). You just get an error message telling you to update OpenGL. Which doesn't fix the issue.

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Sorry, that's 76MB @ 99FPS Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
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In 1.2.5 with default texture pack. I run a 256x256 on 1.5.1m on Windows 8 (at 60fps) and it uses 500MB (for some dumb reason it decides that allocating all 4GB that I give it might be the best idea mad.gif) No choppiness though.

Still, doesn't matter.
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No it can't. It can't run any major software that a mac user may want to use.

The point is, the OS is faster.

Basically goes to show that Apple is good at some things, but Linux distros are faster than their system.
   
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WINE.

Wine doesn't always work so great.
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In 1.2.5 with default texture pack. I run a 256x256 on 1.5.1m on Windows 8 (at 60fps) and it uses 500MB (for some dumb reason it decides that allocating all 4GB that I give it might be the best idea mad.gif) No choppiness though.

Still, doesn't matter.

1.2.5 because I took that screenie way back to show some friends. Performance didn't exactly get worse with new updates.
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The point is, the OS is faster.

Basically goes to show that Apple is good at some things, but Linux distros are faster than their system.
What it shows is that this soon-to-be released Linux distro is -- in some areas -- faster than the ~8 month old OS X 10.8, running on an old MacBook Pro which is only using integrated graphics. It's a bit of a strange test.
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What it shows is that this soon-to-be released Linux distro is -- in some areas -- faster than the ~8 month old OS X 10.8, running on an old MacBook Pro which is only using integrated graphics. It's a bit of a strange test.

Its not that weird. It compares the latest up to date OS X to the latest up to date version of Ubuntu. What they are comparing is the speed of the OS it self not the hardware. You could use a faster machine and doing it on a mac Pro could certainly have been an interesting addition. Even so GPU performance varies to an extensive degree depending on drivers so including graphics loads in a test where you are trying to figure out which OS is faster would be counter productive as you can only do comparison between gpus that are supported by OSX.

For example a mac Pro running a 5870 could be faster when running OSX the it is when running Ubuntu but Ubuntu running a cheaper GTX 460 might still be faster then the OSX 5870 combo due to driver speed differences. I'm not saying that this is the case just that scenarios like this can happen.

Due to that reason its much easier to compare Linux and Windows machines as they can run the full range of PC hardware.
    
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Still sad that Nvidia won't make Optimus for Linux and therefore this test couldn't be run on the "Retina" versions. And getting Linux to run on them seems to (still?) be a problem.
     
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Its not that weird. It compares the latest up to date OS X to the latest up to date version of Ubuntu.

What they are comparing is the speed of the OS it self not the hardware. You could use a faster machine and doing it on a mac Pro could certainly have been an interesting addition. Even so GPU performance varies to an extensive degree depending on drivers so including graphics loads in a test where you are trying to figure out which OS is faster would be counter productive as you can only do comparison between gpus that are supported by OSX.

For example a mac Pro running a 5870 could be faster when running OSX the it is when running Ubuntu but Ubuntu running a cheaper GTX 460 might still be faster then the OSX 5870 combo due to driver speed differences. I'm not saying that this is the case just that scenarios like this can happen.

Due to that reason its much easier to compare Linux and Windows machines as they can run the full range of PC hardware.
But it is still a little strange. Now I get that the test is about the speed of the OS, but why such an old MacBook Pro? OS X 10.8 is quite heavy graphically. I'd like to see if anything would change if they used the NVidia graphics instead of the IGP. But apparently Linux doesn't support graphics switching yet.
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But it is still a little strange. Now I get that the test is about the speed of the OS, but why such an old MacBook Pro? OS X 10.8 is quite heavy graphically. I'd like to see if anything would change if they used the NVidia graphics instead of the IGP. But apparently Linux doesn't support graphics switching yet.

That was exactly the problem. Nvidia has really been kind of stupid in the Linux world recently. They haven't seemed to work to helping anyone outside of Android with their Tegras and they kind of just shunned the Linux ecosystem on Optimus because (IIRC) "it was too difficult". Seriously, if Huang would just be a little more supportive of the Linux community he'd probably be able to sell those Tegra4s as desktop replacements and I'm sure CompuLab would jump all over the distribution of a design based on that. I know I'd love to have one so I'd never have to worry about fans again.

On the whole testing thing. I can kind of see your point in "old version of OSX" vs "newest/unreleased Linux distro" but I believe he tested the equal or near equal age versions of buntu and this is kind of just to show how things have progressed while selling ad revenue and giving people actual information that Linux (buntu) isn't as "bad" as the FUD/marketing against it makes it out to be.
     
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But it is still a little strange. Now I get that the test is about the speed of the OS, but why such an old MacBook Pro? OS X 10.8 is quite heavy graphically. I'd like to see if anything would change if they used the NVidia graphics instead of the IGP. But apparently Linux doesn't support graphics switching yet.

Nope no graphics switching drivers on linux yet but if memory serves there is noting stopping you from running the Nvidia GPU only. Perhaps Nvidia only mode is not possible on OS X? Either way running hybrid graphics for a comparison would only be adding more unknowns to the mix as drivers on one machine could be geared more towards power saving with the other favoring performance.

If you ask me running this type of test on a laptop is the wrong way to go in the first place and they should have used something like a mac mini instead (if they could not cough up the cash for a pro).
    
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