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No, it's not an attack on me it is a defense on your part. I understand that. You assume that I don't like Linux, but I actually do. I just know way too many people that I tried to get to use Linux and they couldn't get past the desktop.

I'm assuming they'll, like me, stick to Windows 7 for the foreseeable future then.
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And we have a lot of idiots on the planet too. What's your point?

...Did the implied meaning of that post completely go over your head?
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Wine doesn't always work so great.

This has to be remembered.
It does work great in a lot of scenarios, though. (eg. Office 2007.)
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But it is still a little strange. Now I get that the test is about the speed of the OS, but why such an old MacBook Pro? OS X 10.8 is quite heavy graphically. I'd like to see if anything would change if they used the NVidia graphics instead of the IGP. But apparently Linux doesn't support graphics switching yet.

Nope no graphics switching drivers on linux yet but if memory serves there is noting stopping you from running the Nvidia GPU only. Perhaps Nvidia only mode is not possible on OS X? Either way running hybrid graphics for a comparison would only be adding more unknowns to the mix as drivers on one machine could be geared more towards power saving with the other favoring performance.

If you ask me running this type of test on a laptop is the wrong way to go in the first place and they should have used something like a mac mini instead (if they could not cough up the cash for a pro).

Running it on a mini wouldn't buy much they are in essence 13" MBP's without a screen.


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That was exactly the problem. Nvidia has really been kind of stupid in the Linux world recently. They haven't seemed to work to helping anyone outside of Android with their Tegras and they kind of just shunned the Linux ecosystem on Optimus because (IIRC) "it was too difficult". Seriously, if Huang would just be a little more supportive of the Linux community he'd probably be able to sell those Tegra4s as desktop replacements and I'm sure CompuLab would jump all over the distribution of a design based on that. I know I'd love to have one so I'd never have to worry about fans again.

On the whole testing thing. I can kind of see your point in "old version of OSX" vs "newest/unreleased Linux distro" but I believe he tested the equal or near equal age versions of buntu and this is kind of just to show how things have progressed while selling ad revenue and giving people actual information that Linux (buntu) isn't as "bad" as the FUD/marketing against it makes it out to be.
Yep you've a fair point about that, current versions of Ubunto were tested too.
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Nope no graphics switching drivers on linux yet but if memory serves there is noting stopping you from running the Nvidia GPU only. Perhaps Nvidia only mode is not possible on OS X? Either way running hybrid graphics for a comparison would only be adding more unknowns to the mix as drivers on one machine could be geared more towards power saving with the other favoring performance.

If you ask me running this type of test on a laptop is the wrong way to go in the first place and they should have used something like a mac mini instead (if they could not cough up the cash for a pro).
It is possible via a hack I believe. Maybe a high end Mac Mini, but I think a high end MacBook Pro or iMac would be good.
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I much prefer Mint to Ubuntu. Mint includes a lot of software they leave out of Ubuntu (codecs) and the Unity makes my eyes bleed.

I always download and install the latest version of Ubuntu just to test but don't install it on my laptop due to me simply not liking it.
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I much prefer Mint to Ubuntu. Mint includes a lot of software they leave out of Ubuntu (codecs) and the Unity makes my eyes bleed.

I always download and install the latest version of Ubuntu just to test but don't install it on my laptop due to me simply not liking it.

? You know the moment you try to play anything that it doesn't have a codec for it will offer to fetch it for you? And I agree that I don't like the majority of Unity but you can always just grab Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Lubuntu, and so on or just install another DE inside Ubuntu. I do think I'll have to investigate Mint again.
     
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Linux is getting forms of switching for dedicated and IGP based solutions. It was just recently added to the binary drivers, 319.12 and support should spread more now. Granted it's crap that we are just now seeing the support, I believe that was an issue with kernel stuff. Unsure, don't have one so it's really unlikely that I will heavily research it. You can do a few tweaks that mess with it already, pretty hardcore stuff though. The official solution should be the better option.

Another solution has been this: http://bumblebee-project.org/

Really linux is just slow to adopt proprietary tech and it isn't a fault of the opsys. That would be like saying it's Apple's fault for not adopting DX to play PC games. As that solution also goes to people who blame Linux for having crappy gaming. Development has to be there for the software and the community to appear, the difference is nobody has heavily tried. Valve is pushing that and some other companies are pushing Linux in directions that should have been done ages ago.
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Linux is getting forms of switching for dedicated and IGP based solutions. It was just recently added to the binary drivers, 319.12 and support should spread more now. Granted it's crap that we are just now seeing the support, I believe that was an issue with kernel stuff. Unsure, don't have one so it's really unlikely that I will heavily research it. You can do a few tweaks that mess with it already, pretty hardcore stuff though. The official solution should be the better option.

Another solution has been this: http://bumblebee-project.org/

Really linux is just slow to adopt proprietary tech and it isn't a fault of the opsys. That would be like saying it's Apple's fault for not adopting DX to play PC games. As that solution also goes to people who blame Linux for having crappy gaming. Development has to be there for the software and the community to appear, the difference is nobody has heavily tried. Valve is pushing that and some other companies are pushing Linux in directions that should have been done ages ago.

Totally agree with this, it's moving in the right direction, albeit slowly. I believe the "true" Optimus behaviour hasn't been implemented due to licensing conflicts with the kernel (Nvidia would have to open-source parts of the driver to be GPL-compatible). Personally, while I admire Nouveau's idea & concept of freedom, in real terms I'm gonna use the best driver I can for my hardware. I mean, it SHOULD be up to the manufacturer to write the software drivers for their stuff, and if they closed-source it, fair enough. Most firmware is closed source, yet people don't bat an eyelid.

Anyway - either Bumblee needs good support from the distros (so its use is more streamlined to the end-user), or X needs to step up and make it a bit more flexible (so Nvidia/kernel team have the freedom to implement the true "Optimus" behaviour). Copy the Windows implementation, it's a good model from the end-user perspective.
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We could run our own versions of these tests. Maybe some that rely on coding for the iGPU.
 
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