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Hello everyone, I just received my hd650 headphone and am running them through the o2/odac combo and wow I must say amazing. Wanted to know if I let them burn in will they get better than out of the box and what the burn in time would be if so. Would I benefit in getting a different cable for theses say pure 99.9 silver? Not much point upgrading the ofc stock lead since its the same as other copper ones, apprently the copper cable is for mid treble sounding and the silver cable is for bass and lows but flat is this correct?
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i can't think of a case where burning in your headphones doesn't improve the sound so i'd say go ahead. usually with high end headphones they design them to sound better after some wear anyway.
as for how long, i usually do at least 50 hours of burn in. and for the cables, i'm not sure how much of a difference changing them would really make, i might have to do a small experiment on that.

anyway hope that helps and have fun with those headphones thumb.gif
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Every single Sennheiser i had needed to be played for a few days before they sounded like they sould so i think yours need that as well
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i can't think of a case where burning in your headphones doesn't improve the sound so i'd say go ahead. usually with high end headphones they design them to sound better after some wear anyway.
as for how long, i usually do at least 50 hours of burn in. and for the cables, i'm not sure how much of a difference changing them would really make, i might have to do a small experiment on that.

anyway hope that helps and have fun with those headphones thumb.gif

Yes, I have read on head-fi people stating that copper cabling gives a warmer sound also and than silver cabling has a flat colder sound to it. Others reckon there is none to very little difference from stock to aftermarket cables so Idk? Sweet will let them run in on my ears until 100 hours or so then will report back on what I think then. As for the cabling will buy some ofc and pure cooper/silver cable and make my own cables with rhodium/gold connections for no oxidation and will determine myself if cable does improve the cans, aftermarket cables are rip off imo like 480 dollars for crystal linear pure 99.0% pure ofc hd 650 cable don't think so.

Some info for people looking to make there own cables, hope it helps has sennheiser hd600/650/800 etc
http://www.head-fi.org/a/diy-cable-info-and-resources
Edited by itz.clint - 4/11/13 at 7:33pm
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I personally find that upgrading the cables in some headphones does improve the sound but it has always been very minor. The biggest difference I notice is from a larger gauge cable. Your best bet is to buy some 22awg silver coated copper wire from navships on ebay and make your own cables. You can make a quality cable yourself for only $30 with wire, connectors, sleeving, and heatshrink. There is no need to spend $100 on a new headphone cable for the minor difference you will gain.

http://stores.ebay.com/johnssilverteflonwireshop

multifilament nylon sleeving and headshrink
http://stores.ebay.com/FURRYLETTERS

HD650 connectors:
http://www.partsconnexion.com/CARDAS-71677.html
Edited by UsedPaperclip - 4/11/13 at 7:39pm
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I personally find that upgrading the cables in some headphones does improve the sound but it has always been very minor. The biggest difference I notice is from a larger gauge cable. Your best bet is to buy some 22awg silver coated copper wire from navships on ebay and make your own cables. You can make a quality cable yourself for only $30 with wire, connectors, sleeving, and heatshrink. There is no need to spend $100 on a new headphone cable for the minor difference you will gain.

http://stores.ebay.com/johnssilverteflonwireshop

multifilament nylon sleeving and headshrink
http://stores.ebay.com/FURRYLETTERS

HD650 connectors:
http://www.partsconnexion.com/CARDAS-71677.html

What guage wire would you recommend using Im looking at the 20awg green
http://www.ebay.com/itm/25-feet-20-AWG-Silver-Teflon-Wire-Green-7-strands-/380559251872?pt=US_Audio_Cables_Adapters&hash=item589b1959a0

Would this be more than enough or could I go a little thicker maybe 16.
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post #7 of 20
22 is the biggest you're going to fit into the holes of the Trs connector and possible all you will fit in the sennheiser connectors. You may be able to squeeze them in but it would be tough with sleeving and heatshrink I am sure. I would go with 22awg with 19 strand, the higher the strand count the better (prevents breaking). 22awg is still larger than most high quality cables, they usually use 24awg and stock is even smaller.
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Here's your cable evidence:

http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/headphone-cable-measurements-part-one-page-2

and here's your burn-in evidence:

http://rinchoi.blogspot.com/2012/04/introduction-it-is-generally-known-that.html

In other words: cables make zero difference on the sound and that burn-in for dynamic transducer driver headphones is mainly to due to the earpads softening over time.
Other factors such as headphone positioning on the head and output impedance attribute more to sound differences than cables.

Don't waste your time and risk 'upgrading' cables. All you are doing is really 'ricing your headphones'. The only time you would do it is for aesthetic reasons only.
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For headphone cables 24AWG is pretty much the sweet spot. Anything larger and the cable begins to get unruly. You can get the cable from eBay if you'd like, but it won't be the best for headphones. 7 strands of cheap SPC doesn't make the best headphone cable.

I prefer solid conductors, but Cardas is very, very good and pairs well with Senns IMHO. If you want better you really need to spend some $$. I have a Cryo Treated hybrid cable that I built that is simply fantastic, and while it's better than my Cardas cable the Cardas is more flexible and more durable simply because it uses stranded conductors. With an ODAC and O2 I'd recommend Cardas. You can buy prebuilt or DIY. The Cardas bulk quad 4x24 cable is the same they use in their headphone cables and was built purposefully for that use. They also make the Senn connectors that are available for DIY. I have some walnut and solid silver plugs that are nice, but again the price difference is quite substantial.

My go to headphone cable is Cardas quad sleeved in nylon and terminated with Cardas Senn connectors and Neutrik plugs using Cardas quad solder. Let me know if you want to DIY a cable as I have all the materials readily available.
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For headphone cables 24AWG is pretty much the sweet spot. Anything larger and the cable begins to get unruly. You can get the cable from eBay if you'd like, but it won't be the best for headphones. 7 strands of cheap SPC doesn't make the best headphone cable.

I prefer solid conductors, but Cardas is very, very good and pairs well with Senns IMHO. If you want better you really need to spend some $$. I have a Cryo Treated hybrid cable that I built that is simply fantastic, and while it's better than my Cardas cable the Cardas is more flexible and more durable simply because it uses stranded conductors. With an ODAC and O2 I'd recommend Cardas. You can buy prebuilt or DIY. The Cardas bulk quad 4x24 cable is the same they use in their headphone cables and was built purposefully for that use. They also make the Senn connectors that are available for DIY. I have some walnut and solid silver plugs that are nice, but again the price difference is quite substantial.

My go to headphone cable is Cardas quad sleeved in nylon and terminated with Cardas Senn connectors and Neutrik plugs using Cardas quad solder. Let me know if you want to DIY a cable as I have all the materials readily available.

What cryo treated hybrid wire are you using and where do you buy yours?
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