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Originally Posted by Deadboy90 View Post

Your one of the lucky ones, my brother ran through 4 vertex 2's in the span of 3 months. They all died and my vertex 3 was no better when it came out.

In my office we have 8 workstations with OCZ Agility 3 drives. We have never had one single issue in the last 18 months of consistent use. Not a fan boy, just calling it like I see it.


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Well, I've had my V4 since late November, and I haven't had any problems with it. I don't think OCZ is the one to blame for their pre-V4 SSD's, but Sandforce rather, since they're the ones that made the actual controller for the SSD. Another point is that people out there still treat SSDs as HDDs (defragging and whatnot), and that takes a good toll on long term performance and reliability. I'm pretty sure the first Vertex/Agility series drives were the highest selling SSDs out there at the time, and because of that, the ratio of drives manufactured to defective drives is pretty high.

To put it into perspective, let's say that OCZ made 500,000 SSDs with 5% of those drives being defective. That's 25,000 total defected drives. Now, let's say that Intel made 200,000 SSDs with 5% of those being defective as well. That would amount to 10,000 defective drives. Although the percentage of defective drives is the same, the quantity manufactured makes a big difference in the actual number of drives that are defective. Now the numbers that I made up aren't representative of the number of units actually manufactured. It's just an example, and as you can see in this forum, there are people that haven't had any problems with OCZ's Sandforce-based SSDs, and they're still going strong.
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I have no problems with current OCZ drives but i wouldnt say the vector matches the 840 pro



Uh...did you even bother to read the whole review? Both of the drives trade blows depending on what's being benchmarked. In overall performance, the 840 Pro might be a few percent faster, if that, and I doubt any of us would notice the difference. Put either of them in RAID 0, and the performance line is blurred even more. Heck, most of us wouldn't even notice the difference between a 840 Pro and a Crucial M4 in real-world use.

Anand also said this under the pic you posted:
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Low queue depth random read performance sees a significant regression compared to the Vertex 4. OCZ derives the Vector's specs at a queue depth of 32, at which it'll push 373MB/s of 4KB random reads. As Intel has established in the past, low queue depth random read performance of around 40 - 50MB/s is sufficient for most client workloads as we'll soon see in our trace based storage bench suite.

Anyways, I'm curious to see the performance numbers of the V5. Seeing that it's using 20nm NAND and an updated Barefoot controller, the performance should be quite good. There are four reasons why I'm not getting one, though:

1. I already have an SSD
2. I won't see the difference between the two in real world use
3. OCZ's financial state isn't very promising (they may ditch their SSD section in order to put funds somewhere else. Although not likely, it's still a possibility)
4. I'm waiting until SATA4 comes out to upgrade my SSD
Edited by airisom2 - 4/12/13 at 6:50am
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My Vertex 4 has been running strong for 6+ months now with 0 issues. thumb.gif
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Your one of the lucky ones, my brother ran through 4 vertex 2's in the span of 3 months. They all died and my vertex 3 was no better when it came out.

Couldn't possibly be the error of the human right?
     
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http://www.tomshardware.com/news/ocz-Vertex-5-SSD-Barefoot-3,21967.html

LOL! Im sorry but I had to laugh at that, OCZ SSD's are cheap but NOTORIOUSLY unreliable. Samsung is known to make some of the most reliable SSD's out there, I cant really see them legitimatly competing with them.

IMO, it's not really necessary to throw your opinion into a news post. You're going on a rampage with asserting your opinion of OCZ down everyone's throat, it really isn't called for if you're posting news...just IMO. I still have a vertex 2 running around 3 years now with no issues in one of my older systems, i've never had an issue. But, samsung is a serious competitor these days.

Additionally, it should be mentioned that most of the issues were with the Vertex 3 drives which were equipped with the sandforce 2200. Let's be 100% clear here: the sandforce was bugged at release and this was a problem not ONLY for OCZ but for all manufacturers of SF2200 products. It took LSI/sandforce nearly 8 months to fix that firmware issue. On the one hand there is that, yet consumers only care about the end result. It's unfortunate that it affected OCZ so badly - I would put half of the blame on manufacturers for even releasing SF2200 drives.

Anyway, having more options is a good thing, I'm anxious to see how well the Vertex 5 does.
Edited by xoleras - 4/12/13 at 6:57am
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I have had my two Vertex 1 30GB in Raid 0 running perfectly to this day, and have a Vertex 2 60gb that is still going. And I purchased the 30gb Vertex 1's at least 3 years for $140 each. But on the other hand, my friends experienced stability issues with both their Vertex 2 and 3's... I also have been through 3 OCZ Rally 2 flash drives as they were fast for usb 2.0, but did not have good stability...

I have heard good things about the Vertex 4's stability, and am curious to see what the 5's have to offer... thumb.gif
Too bad my computer or laptop can't handle the bandwidth on these newer drives... mad.gif
Edited by Chris13002 - 4/12/13 at 7:37am
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http://www.tomshardware.com/news/ocz-Vertex-5-SSD-Barefoot-3,21967.html

LOL! Im sorry but I had to laugh at that, OCZ SSD's are cheap but NOTORIOUSLY unreliable. Samsung is known to make some of the most reliable SSD's out there, I cant really see them legitimatly competing with them.

It's not the OCZ drives that are unreliable, it's the Sandforce controllers that suck. That's why OCZ bought Indilinx, and is now using their controllers.

Having said that, I have a Vertex 2 and a Vertex 3, with Sandforce controllers and have never had a problem.

The key to buying SSD's is:
  1. Don't be an early adopter, wait for the bugs to get ironed out.
  2. Always run the latest firmware.

Follow that advice and (almost) any SSD will be reliable.
Edited by wedge - 4/12/13 at 8:36am
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OCZ's reputation around here isn't exactly undeserved. Many had problems with agility/vertex 3 sandforce based ssd's, and getting support for them was like pulling teeth. There is absolutely no denying the company has worked very hard to ensure the 4 series agility/vertex line remains competitive in price, performance, and reliability. If they can repeat the success in the next generation, it will go a long way to pull themselves out of the very deep hole they dug a couple years ago. I'm looking forward to seeing what they can do with this series, provided the controller is rock solid and doesn't rely on gimmicks to falsely inflate bench scores.
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I have no problems with current OCZ drives but i wouldnt say the vector matches the 840 pro



You can't cherry pick one benchmark and claim a product is crap.

This benchmark is from the same review:


And this quote is also from the SAME review:
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Samsung typically enjoys better peak performance, but OCZ's Vector appears to have the advantage when it comes to worst case performance and IO consistency. The latter tend to be more valuable in improving overall user experience


If you actually read around, you will find a common theme in knowledgeable reviews of the Vector drive. The Samsung shows better performance in benchmarks, but the Vector is actually better in the real world.
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OCZ's reputation around here isn't exactly undeserved. Many had problems with agility/vertex 3 sandforce based ssd's, and getting support for them was like pulling teeth. There is absolutely no denying the company has worked very hard to ensure the 4 series agility/vertex line remains competitive in price, performance, and reliability. If they can repeat the success in the next generation, it will go a long way to pull themselves out of the very deep hole they dug a couple years ago. I'm looking forward to seeing what they can do with this series, provided the controller is rock solid and doesn't rely on gimmicks to falsely inflate bench scores.

I don't know, I have mixed feelings on the matter. *ALL* sandforce 2200 drives, regardless of manufacturers, had these BSOD issues. Yes, the manufacturer should be held reliable, but LSI/Sandforce should as well for releasing a broken product - and then taking a year to fix it. OCZ just took the limelight because they were the largest manufacturer of SSDs at the time. It's just a rather unfortunate situation really, OCZ took a black eye due to the issues with SF2200 which really wasn't their doing.

In the end Sandforce released a junk, buggy product. And then took a year to fix it - and also didn't give manufactures an option for a custom firmware. OCZ is partially at fault, sure, but Sandforce takes most of the blame in my mind.
Edited by xoleras - 4/12/13 at 8:22am
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