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I think in a year or two 8 core cpus and 4GB VRAM will be pretty standard for PCs, because developers will be using those on consoles. I'm personally excited to see the techniques developers come up with to use more threads and how much of the unified ram they use for GPU tasks.

Something nobody has talked about yet, a ton of very fast ram might lead consoles to finally have AA in titles. High quality AA at that.

Two things that have me worried about PS4s success potential.
1- It looks like it will not support 4k very extensively. It won't read quad layer BD discs or render games in 4k. I see 4k becoming popular pretty quickly. Source
2-I still hate the PS controller. I like the joystick layout of the xbox much better.
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4 cores 4 modules. Unless this new architecture does away with the BD core/module. Tough I don't consider it weak either way.

Eight cores. Jaguar isn't module-based.
   
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Originally Posted by sepheroth003 View Post

I think in a year or two 8 core cpus and 4GB VRAM will be pretty standard for PCs, because developers will be using those on consoles. I'm personally excited to see the techniques developers come up with to use more threads and how much of the unified ram they use for GPU tasks.

Something nobody has talked about yet, a ton of very fast ram might lead consoles to finally have AA in titles. High quality AA at that.

Two things that have me worried about PS4s success potential.
1- It looks like it will not support 4k very extensively. It won't read quad layer BD discs or render games in 4k. I see 4k becoming popular pretty quickly. Source
2-I still hate the PS controller. I like the joystick layout of the xbox much better.

don't expect 4k.....why would they require kids to buy a 20,000 TV to enjoy a console game...They can advance their hardware while still targeting the largest demographics (and people buying 80inch tv's are NOT part of that demographic)

You're right about better AA, but this is 1080p, on a TV, sitting 5-10 feet away, the need for AA dwindles by that point
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Didn't Sony already confirm the PS4 will support 4K?
    
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Didn't Sony already confirm the PS4 will support 4K?

http://venturebeat.com/2013/03/01/sonys-4k-movie-service-coming-to-ps4-but-100gb-downloads-remind-us-why-4k-is-a-waste/
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Sony has already confirmed that the PS4 supports 4K resolution videos and photos, so the announcement doesn’t come as a huge surprise.
Read more at http://venturebeat.com/2013/03/01/sonys-4k-movie-service-coming-to-ps4-but-100gb-downloads-remind-us-why-4k-is-a-waste/#sLHhRCTEgZxsF1ZA.99

The rest of the article goes on to speculate about a 4k internet movie service, but then leads to explaining some of the technical challenges (70gb movies) and STEEP entry level (only available for 60-80inch tvs)
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don't expect 4k.....why would they require kids to buy a 20,000 TV to enjoy a console game...They can advance their hardware while still targeting the largest demographics (and people buying 80inch tv's are NOT part of that demographic)

You're right about better AA, but this is 1080p, on a TV, sitting 5-10 feet away, the need for AA dwindles by that point

If it's true, we could see sub $5000 4k tvs this year...
http://mashable.com/2013/04/08/sony-4k-nab/

With the push in pixel density on tablets and to a lesser extent monitors, I wouldn't be surprised to see the demand and availability of 4k TVs to come rather quickly.

I will be upgrading my projector to 4k once I can get one under $5000.

I guess running 1080p games on 4k resolution is like COD running 540p on a 1080p TV.

As for AA, the two instances I think AA on a console would be really beneficial is a projector setup (I run 110" 1080p from 11ft), and people who play their consoles at a desk on a monitor.
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Lol who cares about 4k on consoles. Just the standard 1080p/60fps with good IQ
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Originally Posted by sepheroth003 View Post

If it's true, we could see sub $5000 4k tvs this year...
http://mashable.com/2013/04/08/sony-4k-nab/

With the push in pixel density on tablets and to a lesser extent monitors, I wouldn't be surprised to see the demand and availability of 4k TVs to come rather quickly.

I will be upgrading my projector to 4k once I can get one under $5000.

I guess running 1080p games on 4k resolution is like COD running 540p on a 1080p TV.

As for AA, the two instances I think AA on a console would be really beneficial is a projector setup (I run 110" 1080p from 11ft), and people who play their consoles at a desk on a monitor.

the Pixel density for 1080p on a 46inch tv is perceivably the same as any of these high resolution tablets (unless you sit 18 inches from your TV lol) I'm all for a move in technology, but I think other qualities of our televisions are in much higher need of an upgrade than just our resolution. Now for projectors, 4k is definitely a welcome upgrade!
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Lol who cares about 4k on consoles. Just the standard 1080p/60fps with good IQ

I do. It will mean the price of 4K monitors and equipment will come down in price.
    
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Those 8 cores are based jaguar architecture (designed for tablets and low power laptops), and it said to be clocked @ 1.6Ghz (some rumors say it is 2GHz)

PS4 CPU is probably half the speed of i7 3770 or FX8350. Don't even compare it to i7 3960X

The problem is when people make comparisons without looking at power. the PS4 APU has 8 Jaguar cores running at close to 2 Ghz.

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=sv&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sweclockers.com%2Fnyhet%2F16597-amd-temash-specifikationer-och-prestanda

in a multi threaded benchmark like cinebench r11.5 multi the quad core A6-1450 at 1 Ghz scores 0.99. At 1.4 ghz A6-1450 performs slightly ahead of a core i3 2367m running at 1.4 ghz. the performance scaling of the Jaguar cores with increased clocks is perfect. PS4 has 2 Jaguar compute units made of 4 cores each sharing L2 cache. a quad core core i7 sandybridge will be matched by 8 Jaguar cores at the same clock speed.

http://www.techpowerup.com/180394/AMD-quot-Jaguar-quot-Micro-architecture-Takes-the-Fight-to-Atom-with-AVX-SSE4-Quad-Core.html

AMD provides similar multithreading performance for a much lower die size and power. a single Jaguar core on TSMC 28nm measures 3.1 sq mm. the 8 Jaguar cores take up only 25 sq mm. a single sandy bridge core on intel 32nm process measures 18.4 sq mm.

The latest game engines like Frostbite 2 and CryEngine 3 can utilize 8 threads. Developers would clearly develop their next gen game engines with ability to scale to 8 threads as both Microsoft and Sony are using 8 Jaguar cores on their next gen consoles. AMD has provided a very efficient CPU core in Jaguar from a power and die size point of view.
Edited by raghu78 - 4/12/13 at 6:39am
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