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But... Why? They basically took a perfectly functioning Haswell die, cut its L3 cache by a 25% to fit a larger IGP?
   
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Even for OEM if that's how they work and one or the other ceases to function that's not going to be a nice experience for the consumer.

How would it be any different to what happens now?

If a consumer motherboard and/or CPU dies they take the whole unit into a repair center or get it shipped to a repair center.

If this all-in-=one solution dies, they just do what I stated above.

This changes nothing for a consumer who suffers a technical fault with their equipment whilst under warranty.
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But... Why? They basically took a perfectly functioning Haswell die, cut its L3 cache by a 25% to fit a larger IGP?

Because a consumer wants to watch HD video over Netflix and play Sims, not run SuperPi and touch themselves over synthetic benchmark results.
Edited by IcedEarth - 4/14/13 at 4:57am
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Could these sneak into some cheap laptops? thinking.gif
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Could these sneak into some cheap laptops? thinking.gif

There will be HD5200-equipped laptops, just not with these three chips. Laptops will end up with more power-optimized variants, likely at higher prices.
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This is going to be an failure, I don't think there will be much people buying an CPU that is BGA since the CPU and motherboard can die so if one or the other dies you can say goodbye to your 500-800$ CPU+Motherboard so it will cost more and this will turn off some overclockers also...

You mean like when they put cache on the motherboard/CPU instead of on an external PCB/as the chips themselves? That caused a fairly big stink about the exact kind of thing.
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Even for OEM if that's how they work and one or the other ceases to function that's not going to be a nice experience for the consumer.

Exactly, whether it's the PSU, HDD, etc they'll be sending it somewhere rather than replacing the part.

As for these taking over the LGA market...Don't make me laugh, we already get rebranded server parts on Socket 2011 and due to the nature of the server and workstation market (ie. They do replace singular parts) they'll always have LGA, PGA, ZIF or some form of replacing your CPU.
    
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Because a consumer wants to watch HD video over Netflix and play Sims, not run SuperPi and touch themselves over synthetic benchmark results.

You have a point, but if you can afford a $300 i7, I doubt you're going to run on the IGP if you really want to enjoy your games. Now for ultrabooks and tiny SFFs, I can see it.
   
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You have a point, but if you can afford a $300 i7, I doubt you're going to run on the IGP if you really want to enjoy your games. Now for ultrabooks and tiny SFFs, I can see it.

Don't under-estimate the stupidity and ignorance of your average tech consumer. smile.gif

If you were referring to the majority of the people on this site you would have a point. I doubt these all-in-one solutions are targeted at our market though.
Edited by IcedEarth - 4/14/13 at 9:03am
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But... Why? They basically took a perfectly functioning Haswell die, cut its L3 cache by a 25% to fit a larger IGP?

 

..Mobile solutions.. would be the answer.

 

 

Good information here -> http://hwbot.org/news/9347_intel_haswell_overclocking_fully_disclosed_theory_for_core_i7_4770k/


Edited by CL3P20 - 4/14/13 at 8:19am
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Don't under-estimate the stupidity and ignorance of your average tech consumer. smile.gif

If you were referring to the majority of the people on this site you would have a point. I don't these all-in-one solutions are targeted at our market though.

My dad bought an i5, 5.6lb laptop, for my sister who is attending an university.

Three mistakes he made:

1. An i5 is an overkill for movies and web-browsing. My sister does not play any games.

2. He did not realize that 5.6lb is quite heavy in an university usage. She has to haul around 10-15 pounds of textbooks for her classes.

3. It had a 5400rpm HDD as its primary drive, and had a fairly slow boot time (about one minute). I suggested to him that he consider a laptop with at least a hybrid HDD, but he said that boot times and disk performance are unimportant and that processing speed determines it. Derp.


Because of the laptop he bought, my sister later convinced him to buy her a 13" Mac laptop.
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I am wondering how much power hd 5200 takes to run. Will we see something close to it in intels ULV processors? I mean if you could get something from them in the same ball part graphics wise in a 5 watt tdp that would make a pretty sick tablet.
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