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It's really not, I've gone from various GPUs to another and noticed an increase in temperatures from going to a outside-exhaust GTX 470 from my older blow-air-into-case GTX 275. Want to know the increase? 2c. Want to know the decrease I got going to a 9800GTX+? (Also exhausting air)
1c.

You're talking extremely low temps, lower than the difference from switching fans to better ones. I can't speak for everyone, but I'll happily get a much, much quieter GPU (My HD7950 is virtually silent, even at overclocked speeds...My GTX 470 or 9800GTX+ both sound like jet engines taking off during load.)

And also, I did quite a bit of testing in a cramped Acer mATX case when my Phenom II rig was out of commission...It had a 92mm exhaust and 80mm intake. The 'massive' temperature differences really are over-stated, maybe it was big a few years ago but it isn't now.

It's physically impossible to lower ambient case temps by switching from a cooler that exhausts out of a case to a cooler that exhausts into one, assuming no other variables are at play. Dumping heat into a box can't make it cooler, and fans don't actually cool air, they just move it (in fact, they actually slightly heat air due to their motors waste heat, and friction).

If you had an ambient case temp drop after such a switch, it was either due to drop in ambient room temp, poorly configured airflow (fans fighting each other, or recycling heated air instead of exhausting it), or the new card simply outputs less heat to begin with.

Small mATX cases have less volume to store heated air, and less distance from fans for dead/hot spots to form. Two small fans can actually cool a mATX's ambient temp better than 3 or 4 large fans can cool a large case.

Now, if you're talking about card temps, no one is trying to say the card will run cooler with a blower style fan. It might, but only as a result of other influencing factors (usually) due to user error - the same way a blower might increase ambient temps.



In case anyone thinks a GPU doesn't dump much heat into a case, think about how much hotter a computer can make your room, or even your house. Seeing as we're all enthusiasts here and are unlikely to be using an intel atom with igp, at least 60% of that heat is coming from the GPU. If it can do that to your HOUSE temps, it can certainly do it to your computer case's interior temps. Users here are just so used to automatically slapping case cooling onto any build they make that they end up exhausting (most) of that hot air from the case before it has a chance to increase ambient temps, without even thinking about it.

Again - normal people don't do this, normal people buy a Gateway "gaming" computer with an ATX case with only a fanless front intake an the GPU and PSU serving as exhausts. For normal people, it can have a significant effect on case temps (and as a result, component temps).
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It's physically impossible to lower ambient case temps by switching from a cooler that exhausts out of a case to a cooler that exhausts into one, assuming no other variables are at play. If you had an ambient case temp drop after such a switch, it was either due to drop in ambient room temp, poorly configured airflow (fans fighting each other, or recycling heated air instead of exhausting it), or the new card simply outputs less heat to begin with.

Small mATX cases have less volume to store heated air, and less distance from fans for dead/hot spots to form. Two small fans can actually cool a mATX's ambient temp better than 3 or 4 large fans can cool a large case.

Now, if you're talking about card temps, no one is trying to say the card will run cooler with a blower style fan. It might, but only as a result of other influencing factors (usually) due to user error - the same way a blower might increase ambient temps.



In case anyone thinks a GPU doesn't dump much heat into a case, think about how much hotter a computer can make your room, or even your house. Seeing as we're all enthusiasts here and are unlikely to be using an intel atom with igp, at least 60% of that heat is coming from the GPU. If it can do that to your HOUSE temps, it can certainly do it to your computer case's interior temps. Users here are just so used to automatically slapping case cooling onto any build they make that they end up exhausting (most) of that hot air from the case before it has a chance to increase ambient temps, without even thinking about it.

Yes, I know that...And that's the point, in the real world (ie. where 100% of us are) there are going to be those variables...It really doesn't matter, its a misconception that it does matter.

ATX cases generally have more airflow, which would balance out the heated air...for reference the Core 2 Duo I had in that regularly peaked at 70c stock, with the stock cooler. I put that same chip in a no-name beige ATX case and temperatures have dropped to ~60c load. (9800GTX+, two less HDDs and a cheaper PSU)

Blowers do increase temperatures of the card, actually...You can fit 2 or 3x92mm slower spinning, larger fans in the space of 1x small, fast blower fan, that's why TwinFrozr, PCS+, etc are always saying "Lower temperatures and quieter PCs!"

If you're going to bring up the room argument, you do realize that both cards will exhaust all of their heat into the room? The Forced-Exhaust one puts all of the hot air into your room directly, while the other cards blow some into your room, some into your case which eventually gets blown into your room. If you care about your house temperatures, you'd get an AMD E-450 or something to do anything that it can run at, and never go above HD7770 level cards. Or, you know, just open a window. (If a Window is way more than enough enough to quickly reduce the temperature of my room with two overclocked Core i5s, an overclocked Phenom II, a stock Core 2 Duo, an Atom 330, a OCed HD7950, HD7850, 9800GTX+ and the two IGPs then it'd be more than enough for most peoples rigs)

You're seriously over-estimating the difference, forced-air has a tonne of drawbacks and its one benefit (Doesn't blow air into the case) means crap all for any decent cooling, even less if you run water.
Also, different chips but I know my ambient case temperatures with my HD7950 are a hell of a lot lower now, the air is merely warm instead of semi-hot when it comes out the top exhausts, I put that down to it being a Fermi and simply running that hot but whatever.
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It is really hard for any reference card to run cooler than a custom cooler simply because the heatsink has a lower thermal capacity.
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It is really hard for any reference card to run cooler than a custom cooler simply because the heatsink has a lower thermal capacity.

Also because you've just plain got less airflow and more noise with a squirrel cage fan. This is basic physics here...
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Now if that orange was "Gigabyte Orange", they might have something. That color is almost a "Salmon" color.
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Now if that orange was "Gigabyte Orange", they might have something. That color is almost a "Salmon" color.

And if they didn't insist on blocking the fans partially 'for high tech 1337 looks'.

This is triple fan done right.








This piece of junk Inno3D has done, is not.
Edited by Artikbot - 4/14/13 at 6:26am
   
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post #29 of 40
I don't know guys, it looks decent or even good to me... Reminds me of Front Mission.
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only custom fan... for weak OEM PCB.. 

 

*pass.

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