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I,m sorry if your having probs with Panasonic.
But every brand puts out a dud here and there.
All I will say is I have been buying Panasonic plasma tv,s for a few years now, from 27 inch to there 50, have 5 now in my house becuz of kids.
And they game the crap out of them, plus are on line with a couple, plus movies heavly, and music so on.
I have to say, the quality, the price and picture on all of them are fantastic and I would never consider any other tv at this point.
Oldest one is a 5 year old 42 inch and newest is the 50 inch wich is 1 year old.
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Panasonic makes great tvs

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Originally Posted by stargate125645 View Post

You'd have to get a pretty low-end TV to not have the smart features built in, in which case you will be sacrificing panel quality and calibration features. If that's the type of TV you are going to buy, then sure it's cheaper, but that's a pretty big caveat to your statement.

Also, another deadline has passed! 7th time now they can't keep their word.

I could have the highest end TV and still wouldn't touch the smart tv side, I personally hate that crap.
Hell I wouldn't even dare to listen to the built in sound just because the the sound from LCD's is always bad, and I don't waste my time on something that sounds bad or even downgrade my respect for that product. Last TV I listened to that was actually not that bad in sound quality was a Rear Projection.
I use a HTPC for both gaming and movies, As I tend to watch 1080p rips with 5.1 audio tracks (most important part, if it doesn't have 5.1 then I'm not watching it)

OP do you care more about the limited ability the smart features of your TV then you do picture quality? For one the hardware that runs the smart TV side is most likely weaker then most Android phones from 3 years ago. So don't expect any HD content to run, really like most consoles the tv probably works best playing back divx avi files if anything. Getting more then that out of most devices it pretty rare.

TV's still are about picture quality, not silly features. Plus picture quality is not the same for every decoder, play a movie on VLC and tell me their isn't some quality changes when you go back and watch the same thing on XBMC. IMO XBMC has less chance of pixelation and tends to keep a cleaner looking picture. Plus the fact that most TV's won't feed back 5.1 is also the biggest problems for anyone who takes watching Movies to a deeper level. I am vary passionate about my movies, I love story lines. I also am a Sound > Picture quality type of guy as well.
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I could have the highest end TV and still wouldn't touch the smart tv side, I personally hate that crap.
Hell I wouldn't even dare to listen to the built in sound just because the the sound from LCD's is always bad, and I don't waste my time on something that sounds bad or even downgrade my respect for that product. Last TV I listened to that was actually not that bad in sound quality was a Rear Projection.
I use a HTPC for both gaming and movies, As I tend to watch 1080p rips with 5.1 audio tracks (most important part, if it doesn't have 5.1 then I'm not watching it)

OP do you care more about the limited ability the smart features of your TV then you do picture quality? For one the hardware that runs the smart TV side is most likely weaker then most Android phones from 3 years ago. So don't expect any HD content to run, really like most consoles the tv probably works best playing back divx avi files if anything. Getting more then that out of most devices it pretty rare.

TV's still are about picture quality, not silly features. Plus picture quality is not the same for every decoder, play a movie on VLC and tell me their isn't some quality changes when you go back and watch the same thing on XBMC. IMO XBMC has less chance of pixelation and tends to keep a cleaner looking picture. Plus the fact that most TV's won't feed back 5.1 is also the biggest problems for anyone who takes watching Movies to a deeper level. I am vary passionate about my movies, I love story lines. I also am a Sound > Picture quality type of guy as well.

if you are a PQ guy then you should be using MPC-HC with MadVR as much as you can. Mpc can bitstream as well, so no problems there either.
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Panasonic makes great tvs

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Avoid Panasonic?? LOL!

Their plasma TV's are the very best TV's you can buy, and they're priced well under LED sets that can't even compare in PQ. If you don't like their smart TV features, then just build an HTPC with the leftover money you have from not buying a Samsung LED that was 1000 dollars more expensive and inferior in PQ.
Why bother posting if you don't bother to read?
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You'd have to get a pretty low-end TV to not have the smart features built in, in which case you will be sacrificing panel quality and calibration features. If that's the type of TV you are going to buy, then sure it's cheaper, but that's a pretty big caveat to your statement.

Also, another deadline has passed! 7th time now they can't keep their word.

I could have the highest end TV and still wouldn't touch the smart tv side, I personally hate that crap.
Hell I wouldn't even dare to listen to the built in sound just because the the sound from LCD's is always bad, and I don't waste my time on something that sounds bad or even downgrade my respect for that product. Last TV I listened to that was actually not that bad in sound quality was a Rear Projection.
I use a HTPC for both gaming and movies, As I tend to watch 1080p rips with 5.1 audio tracks (most important part, if it doesn't have 5.1 then I'm not watching it)

OP do you care more about the limited ability the smart features of your TV then you do picture quality? For one the hardware that runs the smart TV side is most likely weaker then most Android phones from 3 years ago. So don't expect any HD content to run, really like most consoles the tv probably works best playing back divx avi files if anything. Getting more then that out of most devices it pretty rare.

TV's still are about picture quality, not silly features. Plus picture quality is not the same for every decoder, play a movie on VLC and tell me their isn't some quality changes when you go back and watch the same thing on XBMC. IMO XBMC has less chance of pixelation and tends to keep a cleaner looking picture. Plus the fact that most TV's won't feed back 5.1 is also the biggest problems for anyone who takes watching Movies to a deeper level. I am vary passionate about my movies, I love story lines. I also am a Sound > Picture quality type of guy as well.
I don't understand your point. How does any of that relate to Panasonic's customer service or false advertising? I didn't buy the TV because of the smart features, but I certainly paid for them. They aren't thrown in for free.
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You'd have to get a pretty low-end TV to not have the smart features built in, in which case you will be sacrificing panel quality and calibration features. If that's the type of TV you are going to buy, then sure it's cheaper, but that's a pretty big caveat to your statement.

Also, another deadline has passed! 7th time now they can't keep their word.

I'm using a PS3 as the media server and web browser, it's more expensive than most Android based media streamer, but I wouldn't say I sacrificed any video quality.
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The problem isn't just with Panasonic. All manufactures have issues with their "connected" features of the TV. Unless you are only looking for the basics (Netflix, Hulu, etc.) you really need an external device to do most things you'd want a connected TV to do, regardless of manufacturer. Unfortunately, as stargate125645 alludes to, the best TV for picture quality, also has the connected features so you pay for it all. They just don't decouple it, which in the TV industry's defense makes sense as the profit margins on TVs are tiny so they are trying to maximize where they can. All that said, year in and year out the Panasonic VT series is the best picture quality out on the market that isn't priced the same as a compact car, and the ST series is the best bang for your buck, with amazing picture quality that will only set you back a couple thousand. My advice to people on TVs is simple, until they get better software, buy based on picture quality, and use other external devices for the rest of your entertainment. And based on that alone, you go with a Panasonic VT or ST TV.
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The problem isn't just with Panasonic. All manufactures have issues with their "connected" features of the TV. Unless you are only looking for the basics (Netflix, Hulu, etc.) you really need an external device to do most things you'd want a connected TV to do, regardless of manufacturer. Unfortunately, as stargate125645 alludes to, the best TV for picture quality, also has the connected features so you pay for it all. They just don't decouple it, which in the TV industry's defense makes sense as the profit margins on TVs are tiny so they are trying to maximize where they can. All that said, year in and year out the Panasonic VT series is the best picture quality out on the market that isn't priced the same as a compact car, and the ST series is the best bang for your buck, with amazing picture quality that will only set you back a couple thousand. My advice to people on TVs is simple, until they get better software, buy based on picture quality, and use other external devices for the rest of your entertainment. And based on that alone, you go with a Panasonic VT or ST TV.
That is excellent advice, but how the company treats its customers matters just as much, and Panasonic is horrible as I've noted and documented herein. Acceptance of these half-assed features and abhorrent behavior only lets the manufacturer get away with it, and when they refuse to stand behind their product we shouldn't support them until they change their tune. There is absolutely no reason the features cannot work or should not work.
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DLNA is just networking stuff. It has nothing to do with playback. You don't get it. Hardware devices suck for playback. Even for using GPU-accelerated decoding you need to encode withing certain parameters for it to work. Artifact removal is pretty stupid. If you have artifacts you need more bit rate. I don't know why you expect something proprietary and by Sony like DLNA to work flawlessly. You think Sony is going to give competitors the good source?
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You're not working within the parameters of the advertised features. Encode your audio and video to spec and it will work.

I wish instead of first ranting at you and now ignoring you the OP would start reading himself. I don't get this thread at all. Does he just want people to moan with him? Or help Panasonic go bancrupt?

All the answers are in the 2 quotes above. And it doesn't matter which TV you get. Perhaps the very newest most expensive TVs have the correct hardware to stream anything. But most TVs only stream MP4 and MP3 and JPG and AVI. X264 is almost never supported. And indeed DLNA has nothing to do with streaming capabilities. It is about the TV instantly recognising the device you want to communicate with.

And for the record; Panasonic makes great TVs.

You're like someone that bought a car and put a turkey in it and afterwards complained the turkey wasn't cooked after 3 hours in the car.

Plus you are extremely rude to people that reply to your thread. How you haven't been reported by everyone is beyond me.
 
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The OP should get another "smart" TV of a different brand and maybe learn a lesson when the new TV also doesn't play his files.
 
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