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http://www.neowin.net/news/will-windows-81-allow-users-to-boot-to-desktop

I don't mind the start screen if I'm honest, I hardly ever see it anyway.

Boot to desktop would save me a click I suppose, running the start menu windowed would be my only wish

We've been able to boot to desktop with the aid of software since near release and if you'd like the start screen windowed, I believe there's options to download that offer that too thumb.gif
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We've been able to boot to desktop with software already and if you'd like the start screen windowed, I believe there's a few options to download that offer that too thumb.gif

I'm aware of those but I'm not really a fan of third party solutions, I'm a bit of a clean freak when it comes to applications/services tied to start up. Rain Meter and Precision X is my limit. Like I say, I'm happy on 8 anyway smile.gif
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Somewhat self defeating to dislike third party solutions since your computer would offer a very shallow experience without them in the end tongue.gif

Really though, I guarantee you though on a modern computer, the right software takes up a very small amount of time for initialisation at startup (with other options available such as delayed startup if you're worried about affecting immediate boot times) and end up taking very, very little resources while left running. More efficient than what Windows offers itself for the most part. I've been quite impressed really with how efficient applications are pushed to by the developer.

I was a bit of a neat freak myself and went on an extreme frenzy to limit startup applications, services and drivers. In the end, the difference really isn't worth the potential gains and it's far nicer to let your resources to be used as intended and get some great functionality.
Edited by CoD511 - 4/14/13 at 4:26pm
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Guess there can't be a Windows 8 thread without that comment.

There can't and there shouldn't be. Those tiles and gestures are completely useless on a desktop / laptop.
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personally view a whole majority of the Metro interface and this App Store nonsense as irrelevant for desktop users like us and aimed for the market of tablets, touch screen laptops and so forth.

exactly. it may not be hard to get to a simulated windows 7 look with one click or a mod but the direction is hard set, as desktop computer users you are playing second fiddle to the tablet market. Thats the crucial bit PC people don't like, after keeping MS afloat even through their sometimes average attempts they are ditching their core user base by effectively advertising that tablet form is better than desktop form so just " #dealwithit tablets are where the money is at so desktops can suffer" attitude


Im not saying its wrong its their OS that we choose if we purchase. I for one don't see the need or the benefit and it does ultimately limit choice in the long run when win 7 is no longer supported (which may be sooner than people expect with the yearly cycles)

they have alienated their original customer base with a miss placed product for a newer shiny one that doesn't want their tablets particularly either
Edited by Pip Boy - 4/14/13 at 4:38pm
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Somewhat self defeating to dislike third party solutions since your computer would offer a very shallow experience without them tongue.gif I guarantee you though on a modern computer, the right software takes up a very small amount of time for initialisation at startup (with other options available such as delayed startup if you're worried about affecting immediate boot times) and end up taking very, very little resources while left running. More efficient than what Windows offers itself for the most part.

I know, it's just personal preference wink.gif

I think somewhere in my head there's still part of me managing system resources like old 386 days even when I know that there's no point to it whatsoever. Possibly because I have to fix other, less technically minded, peoples PCs for a living - and it pains me when I start a PC and watch the system tray slowly fill over 15 minutes

and then open IE to only have 1/3 of the screen available due to all the useless toolbars installed biggrin.gif

Things like Steam, Adobe Application Manager, Java, etc etc can start when I say so dammit! lol

Maybe I am just a bit mental?

Anyway, I'm off topic. But that's the reason I never stayed with Start8/Classic Shell etc, I tried them all but always went back to stock. Nothing against those programs and people that want to use them, it's just not for me thumb.gif
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On the other hand, anyone believing that microsoft should be focusing on the desktop is in a fantasy land. Microsoft is looking to gain traction in the mobile market as they should be -- that is where the sales are, desktops are dying (double digit declines EVERY quarter in new sales)

So the answer is to piss on the consumers and enterprises that got them to where they are now? I mean where did they think they were going to get sales from, after supporting 1 billion computers with windows?
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So the answer is to piss on the consumers and enterprises that got them to where they are now? I mean where did they think they were going to get sales from, after supporting 1 billion computers with windows?

Enterprise doesn't care. They're on Windows 7 and won't upgrade again until Windows 10 or maybe even 11. As I've said multiple times now, if there's any time to try something new without pissing most businesses off, it's Windows 8 because businesses have just upgraded or are upgrading to 7. Very few businesses upgrade every new OS release.

Consumers, they don't have a choice if they want a Windows PC, which most do. Most consumers probably end up not caring, it's just a PC, as long as it runs their program they don't really care what OS it is. Those with 5 year old working Windows 7 PCs are much more inclined to buy a smartphone or a tablet instead of a new PC anyways, regardless of what Windows 8 turned out to be.
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post #29 of 226
Funny thing is. Start8 addresses those issues and now works better then the Windows 7 start button.

1. Boot straight to desktop
2. Start button
3. When closing a app. Goes straight back to desktop. That was also a major complaint.
post #30 of 226
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So the answer is to piss on the consumers and enterprises that got them to where they are now? I mean where did they think they were going to get sales from, after supporting 1 billion computers with windows?

What do you think? As someone else mentioned, enterprise doesn't upgrade every OS cycle - their upgrade timeline is generally slow. For regular consumers they get the OS that is packaged with their computer. Let me clue you in on the fact that computing is headed toward ultra mobile devices and not desktops - therefore anyone believing that microsoft should focus on the niche desktop market is in a fantasy land. Anyone believing that microsoft should focus on a mouse driven UI specifically for a desktop is probably in a fantasy land. Like it or not, tablets and ultra mobile is where computing is headed.

Like I said, perhaps microsoft could have made better compromises for upgrading desktop users. In the meantime, windows 8 really isn't bad and you can use start8 if you really want a start button. Windows 8 isn't really the disaster that some make it out to be, it's very similar to windows 7 - and you can use start8 if you really want the start menu that badly.
Edited by xoleras - 4/14/13 at 5:11pm
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