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If this is true, I think we could see some price drops! I hope! Can't afford the latest and greatest as it is.
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Unfair? I don't know what perfect world you live it, but capitalism is all about finding the dumb guy and selling him something for a lot more than it cost you to make. I congratulate companies for ripping people off. If you want the video cards to be cheaper, organize a nationwide boycott.
Capitalism isn't about finding dumb people to rip off. I would hardly call any of the people on this forum dumb because until the article arose no one here knew the price to manufacture a video card, much less the R&D as well as fab processes or even that people were being ripped off due to price conspiracy.

You have bought a video card at one point or another, so in effect as well as association, you are calling yourself dumb. You've been ripped off.

If you manage to write a letter to Wal-Mart or Newegg congratulating them on how dumb you are and how happy you are they took your money, I'd gladly read the letter.
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Capitalism isn't about finding dumb people to rip off. I would hardly call any of the people on this forum dumb because until the article arose no one here knew the price to manufacture a video card, much less the R&D as well as fab processes or even that people were being ripped off due to price conspiracy.

You have bought a video card at one point or another, so in effect as well as association, you are calling yourself dumb. You've been ripped off.

If you manage to write a letter to Wal-Mart or Newegg congratulating them on how dumb you are and how happy you are they took your money, I'd gladly read the letter.
We are dumb for buying overpriced video cards. We are dumb for doing a lot of things. Nvidia and ATI are dumb for trying to get away with cheating.

I am not saying it is right for them to work together to artificially increase the price. What is okay is Nvidia or ATI making a hefty profit off of us.
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I only buy what I am willing to pay for. How is that being ripped off? Sounds life an open market to me.
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Unfair? I don't know what perfect world you live it, but capitalism is all about finding the dumb guy and selling him something for a lot more than it cost you to make. I congratulate companies for ripping people off. If you want the video cards to be cheaper, organize a nationwide boycott.
Capitalism is also about competition when multiple companies are trying to sell to the same dumb guy. When companies conspire to keep prices high, the laws of competition break down and you basically have a monopoly, even though there are two companies. They price as one - so there is no alternative to highly priced items for the consumer.

We do not have a purely capitalist economy. If we did, we would all use Bell Atlantic as our phone company. The government realizes that pure capitalism ends up with what we have here - companies acting as cartels to rip off customers who have no alternative. You only aren't outraged because the prices have been gradually increasing. If cards suddenly went from what they are worth to what they cost now - you would realize that we are getting ripped off.

Of course I could be wrong - a high end card may consistently cost ~$500/card with R+D costs. In that case - that will become clear and the investigators will find that price-fixing was not taking place. Somehow I doubt that will happen, though.
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I only buy what I am willing to pay for. How is that being ripped off? Sounds life an open market to me.
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We are dumb for buying overpriced video cards. We are dumb for doing a lot of things. Nvidia and ATI are dumb for trying to get away with cheating.

I am not saying it is right for them to work together to artificially increase the price. What is okay is Nvidia or ATI making a hefty profit off of us.
I don't really follow what you are saying.

We have no way of knowing what overpriced even means in the computer industry in regards to new products. I agree we do a lot of dumb things and buy products solely for bragging rights or just to have the best parts, but in essence that perspective is subjective regardless of the part itself.

We are unable to manufacture most of the things we buy today at any store which is why we buy them in the first place.

Price conspiracy happens all the time and we don't know it. Ignorance in the consumer market is bliss. NVidia and ATI are dumb for getting caught, not for conspiring.
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I don't really follow what you are saying.

We have no way of knowing what overpriced even means in the computer industry in regards to new products. I agree we do a lot of dumb things and buy products solely for bragging rights or just to have the best parts, but in essence that perspective is subjective regardless of the part itself.

We are unable to manufacture most of the things we buy today at any store which is why we buy them in the first place.

Price conspiracy happens all the time and we don't know it. Ignorance in the consumer market is bliss. NVidia and ATI are dumb for getting caught, not for conspiring.
I would consider $800 for a 8800GTX and $1500 for a QX6700 overpriced.
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I only buy what I am willing to pay for. How is that being ripped off? Sounds life an open market to me.
You're only willing to pay that because you're used to cards of that caliber costing that amount. If we were used to paying, say ~$150 for an x1900xtx (this is just an example) you would not be willing to pay the prices we pay. You are willing to pay these prices because you don't know what the card is actually worth
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I would consider $800 for a 8800GTX and $1500 for a QX6700 overpriced.
It's really a moot point as of now, seeing as how we don't have clear evidence on the actual cost for a QX6700. It is the newest line of retail chips on the market which is why it can fetch hefty prices.

The 8800GTX, on the other hand, is a different story. If the story proves to be true, I'll agree that the card is seriously overpriced.

To shed a little light on the subject, the single card will outperform any stock SLI configuration on the market. That in itself may be worth $650 to some folks.
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