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Obviously the length of tubing, number and type of fittings, color of liquid, diameter of tubing, placement of reservoirs/pumps, and even the type of parts used should take a back seat to the predominant issue of functionality in this situation. Always figure out functionality issues before you worry about aesthetics.

Contrary to many of the posts in this thread - all of the "issues" listed above will have a minimal impact on loop cooling performance. They will help it look less messy - but I would be far more concerned with getting a half decent CPU temperature before I went trying to install compression fittings.... The pumps you have are more than capable of maintaining good flow rates even with excessive tubing...

Either you have a severe airflow restriction problem - or there is a fundamental flaw in the way your CPU loop is currently running. Perhaps a blockage, air bubble, or other serious problem (improperly routed tube?) is present in the CPU loop. Personally I think that the main problem you are having is a lack of sufficient airflow to the radiators. You should most definitely figure that out before throwing more money and time at this project.

On the aesthetics note - I personally like the look it has now. So many tubes and bright colors - exactly what a layman might expect a water cooled PC to look like. The appearance of insane complexity for practically no reason is appealing to me. smile.gif I would mostly just try to find a way to mount the radiators so that they get enough airflow. Probably a different location - as well as higher airflow intake fans - in addition to switching any exhaust fans (besides the radiators) to intakes - will likely resolve your poor temperature issues. (assuming the CPU loop is fundamentally sound like the GPU loop obviously is)
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Wait a minute, looking for the pictures in the OP it looks like there aren't even fans on one of the radiators. Is that possible?
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biggrin.gif i told you i thought it was air starved biggrin.gif once you get the tubing shortened and a single loop going, those temps should be right where they should be. uh, wait. where are you going to put the rads now ?
let us now when you get your SINGLE loop sorted and what the new temps are. im betting youll drop at least 7* more after that original 10* drop. good luck and good job.
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Wait a minute, looking for the pictures in the OP it looks like there aren't even fans on one of the radiators. Is that possible?

I noticed that as well - but I hope to god that he just has them on the other side - or added them after the picture......
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once you get the tubing shortened and a single loop going, those temps should be right where they should be

These two concerns should be at the bottom of his list - as both will have a negligible impact on temperatures... enough advice sending him down the wrong path already..... his current CPU loop should be keeping it plenty cool if the airflow was there.
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What learned from 3 years of experience with water cooling is get the right case. Get a case that can fit all your Radiators and from there one its simple.
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I noticed that as well - but I hope to god that he just has them on the other side - or added them after the picture......
These two concerns should be at the bottom of his list - as both will have a negligible impact on temperatures... enough advice sending him down the wrong path already..... his current CPU loop should be keeping it plenty cool if the airflow was there.

if you had read and paid attention to earlier in the thread, i told him his rad were probably starved for air. he pulled the case side off and found thats exactly what was happening. he dropped 10* he says.
everything in your post 2 hours ago is exactly what was told to him before and what he had already done. believe it or not, those long ass tubes are not helping. it isnt just an ugly mess, its a hindrance. before you go quoting me and TRYING to point out problems in my post, read what was posted before your post and see what he has tried, what had happened after he tried those and what was suggested to him over and over.
i dont want to come off rude and i know i did but that last post of yours was totally unneeded. the one before it could have been shortened had you read all the posts previously posted.
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IMO a 10C drop isn't enough considering he was hitting 80C+, but I could definitely be wrong.

I never said I disagreed with everything you said - merely that there are many people telling him about many different problems - while only one problem is paramount to his loops functionality. (IMO) To me it seemed he was likely to get lost in this sea of information provided to him.

No disrespect intended - I just feel like at this rate he's not going to feel confident about what he should do first.
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IMO a 10C drop isn't enough considering he was hitting 80C+, but I could definitely be wrong.

I never said I disagreed with everything you said - merely that there are many people telling him about many different problems - while only one problem is paramount to his loops functionality. (IMO) To me it seemed he was likely to get lost in this sea of information provided to him.

No disrespect intended - I just feel like at this rate he's not going to feel confident about what he should do first.

its all good man. he gets good temps on dual gpu loop with just a 240. he will get good-ish temps on his cpu loop with a 240. once he goes single loop and or just shortens his tubing, that cpu temp drop a good bit. too much tubing causes a loss of flow/pressure. he uses 1.41v of vcore under load. 70* on a 240 xt45 sounds about right. i go up to about 73* at 1.425v vcore on my 2500k.
if i was him i would personally replace 1 240 rad with a 360 or just add another 240 if he can find a spot. i doubt he can find a spot that will allow good airflow. he already needs to find 2 spots for his 240s. if he lived close to me i would buy 1 of his 240s so he could get a 360. his fans are absolutely fine. i ran 2 bgears blaster 120s and 2 excalibur fans all at 30-60% and never broke 61* hours and hours into prime95 on my 240 loop. only dropped 2 degrees adding a 360 with yl low speeds at 1300rpm and only the excaliburs at less than 50% on the 240. the xt45 rads are frickin awesome. thats also with the 240 pushed into the case. cant wait to get my 670 blocks and yate loon mediums smile.gif
just giving MY experiences and results. assuming he gets the same or close to the same results.

out of curiosity soul, how well did you clean out all your parts before you assembled the loop? are you sure you got all the junk out?
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What would make the most significant change is cleaning your radiators and putting them where they can get some decent airflow
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Honestly I still don't quite understand the order or anything of this, it's like staring into the heart of darkness. To be frank most of the people here have been right. First of all wayyyy too much tubing, even after you cleaned it up a bit you've still got too much. Extra tubing can mean more work for the pumps and potentially warmer water. Second airflow to your radiators. If I get this right, you've got your radiator mounted behind the motherboard on the side panel and the fans are pulling in air from behind the mobo and out of the case? That doesn't seem particularly efficient. Your CPU temps are questionably high, what were they like before you put it under water? Most likely things would be the airflow, check the speed setting on both of your pumps (maybe the cpu loop one isn't set as high if it's an option), or potentially you have a bad chip? Not very likely that the chip is bad tho.

Frankly if I were you rip out all of your watercooling parts, and stare at the inside of your case for a while. Figure out where everything goes, and what is the shortest possible route between components for the tubing. Also consider getting yourself a rad mount/rack for the back of your case to put radiators instead of what you've done. Frankly at this point you would have been better off getting a more suited case from the get go given the trouble you've been going through tongue.gif.

If you do intend to get 4 680s I'd keep both pumps. You don't have to run them in two loops, but just place them at different points in your loop to keep the water moving.
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