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I didn't think of that issue but just found this: thumb.gif

http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/113967-ssd-alignment.html

Right, but that's for a fresh installation. I still have a concern that the hard drive's alignment will be transferred over.
Default Windows Vista, 7, and 8 alignment is 1024 when creating partitions and formatting, for SSDs and HDDs. Alignment is only an issue if the user is transferring windows xp or older or if the user uses crappy cloning software and misaligns the partition. Most software allows you to actually set your own alignment and are even SSD aware if the previous OS was misaligned. And it doesn't need to be 1024.

However, I would still suggest that you reinstall on the SSD as TC stated. Or you can clone of the OS partition on the drive is small enough.

I'd just backup the data on the HDD and wipe it then restore whatever you need to after.
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Thank you both for the great news!

I can completely understand that process and will likely do it very soon. However, Stealthy Pyros brings up a question in my mind; The SSD would never be able to handle all the programs I have on that HD but then, I only wanted the O/S on that SSD anyway. But I am concerned about the programs I have on the HD which are pretty large. Programs like MS FSX and many High def add-ons that go with it take over 180 GB.I also have DCS A10 warthog, ROF, Asrock/Intel/ATI drivers, etc.

So Will all these have some problems no longer being on the same drive as the O/S?

 

You will have to reinstall many of the programs that are on your hard drive. You can reinstall them to the hard drive and even tell the installer to install them to the exact same folder where they are now. If you don't do this, then most of those programs will not even work because most of them are probably unable to work as "standalone" programs. True standalone programs are programs that don't have to be installed in order to work.

 

 

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I know that Windows will automatically rename the SSD as the "C Drive" and rename the HD to a Drive letter yet to be determined.

 

There is no renaming going on at all. You will have a completely fresh installation of Windows that is totally separate and independent of the old one. So, it's not renaming anything at all. Instead, it's just setting everything up just like your old installation did. It will have absolutely no idea that you have another installation of Windows on one of your other drives. So, just think of it as being all by itself.

 

In other words, you will not see the solid state drive as the C: drive in the old installation of Windows once you have the new one installed.

 

 

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But some of these programs required being installed on the System drive, such as GEX, (a Mesh program for FSX).

 

Yep, those kind of programs will have to be installed onto the solid state drive if they really can't be installed to other drives. However, most programs can be installed anywhere you want them to go. Just look for a "Custom" or "Advanced" installation option and then you'll see the chance to change its installation path.

 

 

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I guess I'd better see what some of these developers say about it. Though it could just be a mandatory procedure, (regarding program installations such as GEX), if i were "Installing " it. It's possible that it isn't a problem if its already been installed. I'll check.

 

But it won't be "installed" in this new installation of Windows until you install it.

 

 

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From what I just read in the link you provided, (this one I think: http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/113967-ssd-alignment.html), I would be fine if I install Windows directly to a clean, or new SSD. Isn't that what I'd be doing if I followed Two Cables original instructions?
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Yes, that's exactly what you'd be doing.

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Thanks, I'll definitely look at that. But let's say that my concern about those other programs didn't exist or that the best thing to do there is to delete and reinstall those particular programs in question, wouldn't I be ok if I just installed the Windows O/S onto that SSD and nothing else?
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Thanks, I'll definitely look at that. But let's say that my concern about those other programs didn't exist or that the best thing to do there is to delete and reinstall those particular programs in question, wouldn't I be ok if I just installed the Windows O/S onto that SSD and nothing else?
Rich

 

Well, nothing has to be deleted on the hard drive. So you can certainly do exactly what you just said, but you will find that some, most, or maybe even all of the programs will not work because they're not installed yet (speaking from the perspective of already having installed Windows). However, I expect a few of them to work without installing them.

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Thanks Two Cables, You were replying while I was writing my last post so I didn't see that until just now. I'm now totally confused and that has to do with my complete lack of knowledge of SSD's. I always thought that any drive in the computer had to have a "drive letter" and in the case of HDD's Windows does rename the new O/S drive "C" unless you change it. I know tat because that's what it did when I installed the present O/S drive.

But what really throws me is how would any programs know where to look if they didn't have a drive letter IDing the location of the main program/s? I mean, it has to be told where things are and If I installed FSX in the SSD, I would have to be sure all my addons new where that program was.
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Default Windows Vista, 7, and 8 alignment is 1024 when creating partitions and formatting, for SSDs and HDDs. Alignment is only an issue if the user is transferring windows xp or older or if the user uses crappy cloning software and misaligns the partition. Most software allows you to actually set your own alignment and are even SSD aware if the previous OS was misaligned. And it doesn't need to be 1024.

However, I would still suggest that you reinstall on the SSD as TC stated. Or you can clone of the OS partition on the drive is small enough.

I'd just backup the data on the HDD and wipe it then restore whatever you need to after.

Thanks Sean, I appreciate it.
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Thanks Two Cables, You were replying while I was writing my last post so I didn't see that until just now. I'm now totally confused and that has to do with my complete lack of knowledge of SSD's.

 

You don't have to know anything about solid state drives in order to do what you want to do. It's just another drive. Pretend it's a hard drive. It's not like it's a completely different way of doing things or something like that. It's just another drive that you can use. It's an alternative to the old technology of hard drives. In practical terms to the end-user, they're no different except for being faster.

 

 

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I always thought that any drive in the computer had to have a "drive letter" and in the case of HDD's Windows does rename the new O/S drive "C" unless you change it. I know tat because that's what it did when I installed the present O/S drive.

 

There's no renaming going on whatsoever. There is only naming. What you're looking at doing is no different than when you installed Windows to the hard drive, except now you are just going to move in to a new drive which just happens to be a solid state drive. This is no different than if you had purchased a hard drive for this instead of a solid state drive.

 

When you install Windows 7 fresh to the solid state drive, it will simply name (not rename) the drives accordingly, obviously making the solid state drive the C: drive because that's the drive Windows is being installed to. The other drives will get their drive letters based on the way they're connected to the motherboard. I mean, besides: you are going to have all of your hard drives disconnected throughout the entire installation process of Window 7 onto the solid state drive. So, the other hard drives will get their letters assigned once you shut down and reconnect them. So really, until you reconnect the hard drives, you're just performing a very simple, very common installation of Windows 7. There's nothing complex or confusing about it, actually. It's as simple as it gets (note: I didn't say easy, but I said simple, meaning it's just a basic and standard installation onto a storage drive that just happens to be a solid state drive).

 

So for now, forget the fact that you have an installation of Windows 7 on that hard drive. Pretend it doesn't even exist and then it should become absolutely clear at that point regarding just how simple and easy this actually is.

 

Therefore, when you reconnect the other hard drives, everything, including all of the files and folders that make up the old installation of Windows will be seen as just normal storage data. However, some of your programs that were installed into that old installation of Windows might work without having to install them in your new installation of Windows. That's what I was talking about regarding how some programs might still work as though they are "standalone" programs. However, I believe that most of them (or maybe even all of them) will need to be installed in this new installation of Windows in order to work. When you install them, you can even tell the installer to put them where the old ones are located on your hard drive. For example: D:\Program Files (x86)\program name goes here. All you have to do is look for a "Custom" or "Advanced" installation type of option. Then during the setup of the installation, you will see a point where you can change its installation path.


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Ah! Thank You Two Cables! Great! Now I'm back to feeling confident about what I was going to do based on your orignal post, (back where we started! LOL).

Well then I'm good to go. I read that "Steam Move" post and that looks definitely like a good way to handle many of the programs I have. It may even work with all but a few. The 120 GB SSD can't handle all the programs I have but with that Steam Move script, I think I can pull it off.

Thanks to everyone! The matter is solved!
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Ah! Thank You Two Cables! Great! Now I'm back to feeling confident about what I was going to do based on your orignal post, (back where we started! LOL).

Well then I'm good to go. I read that "Steam Move" post and that looks definitely like a good way to handle many of the programs I have. It may even work with all but a few. The 120 GB SSD can't handle all the programs I have but with that Steam Move script, I think I can pull it off.

Thanks to everyone! The matter is solved!
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You're very welcome! You're going to be very happy with the way this works out.

 

Also, Steam Mover is only for the program called Steam. You know, for gamers.

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You're very welcome! You're going to be very happy with the way this works out.

Also, Steam Mover is only for the program called Steam. You know, for gamers.

Ohhh! Darn, I do have Steam but I was hoping it would or could be applied to other programs that were set up with a similar structure. If not, I'll figure something out if I need to.
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