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I'm riding sandy bridge until ddr4 unless something fries.
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post #102 of 127
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Why do so many people here think AMD will just disappear from the CPU market?

Like stated above, AMD has (and I think will again) manufactured a faster CPU in the past, and thanks to AMD doing that, Conroe was born and Intel pulled out the big guns. Hypothetically, if AMD could come out of nowhere with a CPU like they did with the Athlon 64, Intel would once again start manufacturing and selling CPU's with massive increases in performance instead of minor increases.

If AMD goes bankrupt or shuts down, everyone will pay the price. Because Intel would be the only major consumer CPU manufacturer and costs will sky-rocket.

Having a 2 process node disadvantage + 1/20th the R&D probably keeps that pipe dream of yours from becoming a reality.
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post #103 of 127
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As long as I can keep playing my games at decent settings I wont be upgrading. *2029 passes, still on c2d*

Will be pretty epic when I do upgrade and skip ddr3 all together biggrin.gif
Sounds good to me!
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post #104 of 127
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Originally Posted by *ka24e* View Post

Why do so many people here think AMD will just disappear from the CPU market?

Like stated above, AMD has (and I think will again) manufactured a faster CPU in the past, and thanks to AMD doing that, Conroe was born and Intel pulled out the big guns. Hypothetically, if AMD could come out of nowhere with a CPU like they did with the Athlon 64, Intel would once again start manufacturing and selling CPU's with massive increases in performance instead of minor increases.

If AMD goes bankrupt or shuts down, everyone will pay the price. Because Intel would be the only major consumer CPU manufacturer and costs will sky-rocket.

Having a 2 process node disadvantage + 1/20th the R&D probably keeps that pipe dream of yours from becoming a reality.

Well, assuming they do have 1/20th the R&D I would say AMD is doing pretty good keeping up with a company that has 20x the resources. Although the 8350 cannot compete with the 38xx/39xx series, it does trade blows with the mainstream 3570/3770K CPU's, which is quite an accomplishment considering the lack of resources they hypothetically do not have.

Now, I wonder what AMD could accomplish with the budget and resources that Intel has...
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Having a 2 process node disadvantage + 1/20th the R&D probably keeps that pipe dream of yours from becoming a reality.

Considering AMD has high-density libraries from their graphics department, and is currently competing (somewhat) well outside of gaming I'd personally say that the process node advantage is moot.
As for the R&D...That R&D budget didn't stop them matching Intel from the K6 to the Athlon, and beating them with the Athlon64. (Which was just a normal improvement for AMD then, the reason they actually got that far ahead was actually because Intel dropped the ball with Netburst)
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Well, assuming they do have 1/20th the R&D I would say AMD is doing pretty good keeping up with a company that has 20x the resources. Although the 8350 cannot compete with the 38xx/39xx series, it does trade blows with the mainstream 3570/3770K CPU's, which is quite an accomplishment considering the lack of resources they hypothetically do not have.

Now, I wonder what AMD could accomplish with the budget and resources that Intel has...

Exactly.
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post #106 of 127
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Exactly.
I second this.
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Well, assuming they do have 1/20th the R&D I would say AMD is doing pretty good keeping up with a company that has 20x the resources. Although the 8350 cannot compete with the 38xx/39xx series, it does trade blows with the mainstream 3570/3770K CPU's, which is quite an accomplishment considering the lack of resources they hypothetically do not have.

Now, I wonder what AMD could accomplish with the budget and resources that Intel has...
Keep in mind that even in the situations where AMD can match performance, they're using a lot more power and die area to do it. AMD really is in a tough spot, and I don't see an easy way out for them. To be honest, I think ARM has the best chance of providing meaningful competition for Intel, at least until silicon hits a wall on node shrinks.
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post #108 of 127
Ivy and my 3770k will suffice for the next few yrs. Maybe till skylake.
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Keep in mind that even in the situations where AMD can match performance, they're using a lot more power and die area to do it. AMD really is in a tough spot, and I don't see an easy way out for them. To be honest, I think ARM has the best chance of providing meaningful competition for Intel, at least until silicon hits a wall on node shrinks.
Seriously, as a desktop user if your concern is power consumption there are things you should consider otherwise : laptops, please.
Please, keep this power consumption discussion out of here
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Seriously, as a desktop user if your concern is power consumption there are things you should consider otherwise : laptops, please.
Please, keep this power consumption discussion out of here

Power consumption is a very serious concern nowadays.

Why do we have platinum rated power supplies? Why is Intel able to sell -S and -T processors? Why does AMD's 7xxx graphics cards offer Zero-core technology? Why do people use C-states, and prefer to overclock -K processors using offset voltage?

Power consumption nowadays is a concern in both laptops and desktops. There is absolutely no reason NOT to talk about power consumption.
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