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Well adjusting a timing just a single step is going to have a way smaller impact than just margin of error, variance. You hear people say 'set psc to 2-3' but i dont know why that is the case or what that means or does. All I know is that changing the slew rate seems to have no impact on anything as far as I can tell, but then I haven't tried anything extreme like 1 or 5+ or 20.

I've seen that page many times. Although I'm curious, with my ram voltage at 1.75, does it automatically change all the termination voltages to 50% (ie .875) or does it not... would that impact anything, i wonder.

Still curious in just taking one of the sticks out.
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you will only need slew for 2600+,just leave it on AUTO ..please get yourself 2x4Gb ..i can't handle this anymore..! good luck man ,I'm out
    
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^ haha. okay in that case i just leave it on 3 because that's what I primed95 51 hours on.

Okay, so I just got like a WHEA error earlier just doing nothing. So VTT/IMC voltage wasn't it, I ran p95 small fft and consistently I was getting error, so it wasn't vtt/imc voltage. I guess mining is intensive but small fft is too... i don't know.

I believe timings are the issue here, not VTT/IMC voltage. 2200mhz 8/12/8/28 was fine, so i'm just being nitpicky right now and playing with funny timings.

I tried like 8/12/8/28 + 8/11/8/27, that didn't work, so I'm just setting 8/12/8/28 and that works. Kind of odd. It's like the ram is degrading maybe? It's just really weird.

But I'm rocking VTT/IMC/PLL of .990/.865/1.7. How odd, right? I wish I never raised PLL to 1.7, that crash probably was just because my timings were at 8/11/8/27 and that was 51 hours of prime95 stable, but not totally stable. But I dont want to be wrong on that so i keep 1.7 PLL. So I know that 8/11/8/27 is 51 hours prime95 blend stable, but I'm going to just use a few hours of mining or small fft to make sure im rock solid stable.

Why do I want this stability? I don't want rejected hashes, just a couple rejected hashes means not only do I not make money, I'm losing money because of wasted electricity costs. And, I don't want dropped frames in a stream, it looks terrible. Stability is important to me. On top of all of that, I enjoy finding rock stable stability. I feel I know my system much better when I know exactly where the line is. That way I know I can do something like crank up 5.2ghz@2600mhz RAM if i just want to game.
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You can run stock cpu and ram for mission critical 'stuff' that DOESN'T need high cpu or ram clocks and can be safely run on one core. You know what I'm talking bout (don't mention it...not here)
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Everything i do is mission critical, and i have 2 missions.

So im not sure whats going on, but i think cpu is the issue for the whea errors. as i originally thought, but just slightly upping vcore wasnt enough. i dropped to 4.9ghz and it all worked. Maybe my CPU has degraded? Because i had to massively increase vcore basically for the whea errors to go away. its really weird. like 2 days ago i could do p95 for an hour just fine, like i was getting whea on the 24th hour and all, and then today it was like consistent, within 2 minutes i was getting whea errors unless i upped vcore to like 1.55v.

I think it might be cpu degradation, although it's very likely i was just never 'stable' in the first place. its just as likely its not degradation, really, and with the way the gigabyte board works, where even though it says you can add .005v extra, i think it works in steps, kinda like certain GPUs, where the slider lets you move to anywhere, but there's certain 'steps' that it increases in. I'm pretty sure with the gigabyte board, like for example there's no difference in +285v and +290v. I'll have to do more testing.

but like i had a crash mid-stream due to the whea errors. It's not some minor issue, like its really important for me to be rock stable. That really sucked, i dropped a rank right in the middle of a highly watched, good game.

Fortunately I don't have to do tons and tons of testing because I all the ram crashes, were with prime95 worker hw failure, so i can definitely tell what is ram and what is not. So 2200mhz CL8-11-8-27. There are multiple issues going on, that's why everything was SO confusing - the imc was unable to handle 2400mhz, one of the kits isn't as good as the other, and then my CPU degrading... or rather, was never really stable in the first place.
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I'd avoid headaches and run them at the fastest xmp profile...both should be able to handle that anyway.
And cpu, maybe revert to a 100mhz slower oc or something.
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what headache biggrin.gif

RAM was fine at 2200mhz 8-11-8-27. I think the difficulty came from there being 2 issues - IMC couldn't handle 2400mhz, and CPU overclock not stable. So changing just a single variable wouldn't have any impact, because something else was unstable, but then I'd change that variable like run on stock cpu, and I was running too hard on the IMC without realizing it. I was correct with my original guess that whea errors are cpu related and not ram related, but i guess i just didn't test for it appropriately. Still a shame I can't do 2400mhz though.

Going to keep 5ghz 2200mhz cl8-11-8-27. i know for sure ijust had to bump vcore to basically 1.55.
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Seems like you found the culprit...1.55v with cool temps is not too bad though, I'd run it like that with no second thoughts.
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Actually, I had some odd results with tests. First time around, I went from +285, 290, 295, .... 340, with whea errors in 5 minutes small fft (appeared to have an impact though, starts to be 10+ min at like 340) until I gave +350 which passed 20 min small fft and that's good enough.

Then later on, I ran the same series of tests, but I only needed to go to +300 for 20 min small fft.

I think something like the motherboard is varying it's voltage output... I've also noticed that my VID on this chip is variable, so maybe that's the reason behind the instability.

Anyways, I know for sure that 2200 8-11-8-27 Tight is the max stable on 4 sticks, because hw error/worker errors is a sign of ram instability, and because i wrote everything down, i know I got hw errors no matter what on 2400mhz (due to IMC), and any tighter on any setting on 2200mhz 8-11-8-27. I've done enough testing, what I do every day on my computer is practically a more rigorous stress test than p95 anyways so if I get future WHEA errors, I know I'll just bump up vcore.

Basically, I'm not having to run 1.55v, but rather that I still am running 1.5v. Just there seems to be some issue with my vcore being variable despite my offset being constant. That's my guess. That or I was never really stable at exactly 1.5v, and I needed a tiny bit more voltage despite passing 50+ hours of prime95, to be totally stable. Because I think what happens with gigabyte boards is like +285 is the same voltage as +290... or maybe that's the whole varying vcore/vid thing, i dont know. problem solved.
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