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post #1 of 21
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hi all

about to buy all the stuff for my loop, and i just want to get it all checked by the experts before droping the coin.
my aim is to cool my I7-920 and my gtx 580 (i think its reference design. how do i confirm this?
also, its a 1366 system if you didnt know that from the chip.

here is a general pic of my plan
please excuse the **** drawing, i suck ass at paint.

Blue boxes are the rads,
Yellow are the fans
Red is the tubing



there is NO ROOM for a res in the system, so i will use a fill port/t res. im hoping that i can use a T on the out of the gpu pipe, as there is a hole in the back of my case for a fill port. failing that, i will use one of the bungs in the rad and adapt it to work.

also, do i need things like flow meters and temp sensors? i know that they are handy. but necessary? and if i do get them, how do i interface them to the MOBO?

the build needs to be a quiet as possible, so would like the fans and water pump to be PWM, (as i think they can be chained together) and then the cpu can controll the cooling. or is that a bad idea?

so, what do you think?

the system isnt overclocked, and i doubt i will over clock it either, but lets say allow for 10-15% OC. will this loop and setup suffice?

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What case is this? It'd help with figuring out if there are other routing/rad/res options.

The parts look fine, aside from listing the fittings you'll use. The only concern I have is doubling up the rads the way you have them. I'm not sure you'd get sufficient airflow through them sandwiched like that.

Have you considered the Swiftech micro reservoir? That might be an option to pursue for a res you can fit.
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its a backblaze pod, and unfortunantly thats the only place available. i would go air but want it to be quiet.

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was hoping to counter the ineficiany of rads by using thicker oned and double them up. i might be able to use the 120*2 rad andput it in the same location lengthwards, and could possibly go 140mm *2 instead. whats better? and what has better fans?
this is the case



im putting everything in the gap above the psy, so i might be able to make a bracket that will allow it to be mounted near the grille on the side.

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post #5 of 21
Never sandwich rads like that. The performance is usually WORSE than just a single rad. You are feeding the hot air from one rad to the other so it doesn't cool anything. Corsair sp120 quiet edition are great fans. Gentle typhoon ap15 are the best. For tubing, primo chill advanced LRT is one of the best. Just make sure to get the same size as your fittings
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Originally Posted by hammadj View Post

Never sandwich rads like that. The performance is usually WORSE than just a single rad. You are feeding the hot air from one rad to the other so it doesn't cool anything. Corsair sp120 quiet edition are great fans. Gentle typhoon ap15 are the best. For tubing, primo chill advanced LRT is one of the best. Just make sure to get the same size as your fittings

Well that largely depends on the CFM and Static Pressure of the fans.

Mounting multiple rads like that is possible, you just need a really high static pressure fan and some shrouds to help deal with the pressure issues.

Use this,
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/17228/fan-1058/Delta_120mm_x_38mm_High-Speed_PWM_Fan_-_2528_CFM_TFC1212DE-PWM.html

Along with some sound dampening equipment like this
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/18046/ex-rad-469/Phobya_120mm_Radiator_Gasket_-_10mm_38335.html



At a flowrate of 252 CFM and a static pressure of 38mmH20 it iwll have more than enough pressure to handle the rads, and a high enough flowrate so that the heat added to the air will be so minimal it wont effect the efficiency of the second rad.


The gentle typhoons are the best? That's funny because according to their statistics they have a static pressure of 2mmH20 and a flowrate of 50CFM, while the Bgears http://www.frozencpu.com/products/11894/fan-779/BGears_B-Blaster_120mm_x_25mm_2000RPM_High_Speed_Fan.html

Have a static pressure of 3mmH20 (a huge increase) and a flowrate of 103CFM (twice the flowrate of the gentle typhoons. How are the gentle typhoons better exactly? Then if you don't mind noise there'st he deltas....... dear god those things are WAY better
Edited by ZytheEKS - 4/20/13 at 1:00am
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post #7 of 21
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Originally Posted by hammadj View Post

Never sandwich rads like that. The performance is usually WORSE than just a single rad. You are feeding the hot air from one rad to the other so it doesn't cool anything. Corsair sp120 quiet edition are great fans. Gentle typhoon ap15 are the best. For tubing, primo chill advanced LRT is one of the best. Just make sure to get the same size as your fittings

Oh, and if you aren't a fan of 120mmX38mm fans there's this
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/15715/fan-986/Delta_120mm_x_25mm_Fan_-_827_CFM_AFB1212H-R00_Bare_Wire.html

Which has a static pressure of 6.2 (WAY MORE than the gentle typhoon)

I've never understood the gentle typhoons popularity, and dislike it because of all it's hype when there are way better fans out there tongue.gif
Don't buy in to popularity, buy into statistics
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post #8 of 21
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im not concerned with popularity. performance and noise. how noisy are those fans? i have nowhere to mount a fan controller, so i need to use the mobo. tgats why i was looking fow pwm, so i can tie the pump and fans into 1 and its as quiet as can be. unless i have the pwm thing wrong.

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you may want to look at this if your stacking those rads

http://martinsliquidlab.org/2012/06/08/hesmelaughs-radiator-sandwich-testing/
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Originally Posted by Greenback View Post

you may want to look at this if your stacking those rads

http://martinsliquidlab.org/2012/06/08/hesmelaughs-radiator-sandwich-testing/

It fails to list the specific fans.

It lists their RPMs but not their static pressure.

Unless they test equipment optimal for that setup the test is inconclusive. It's like me using the Bitfenix Spectre (Static pressure of .6mmH20) and saying a radiator sucks because it doesn't cool the fluid enough. A static pressure of .6mmH20 will result in less than 10% of the air flowing through the radiator. (I pulled that number out of my ass, but on my 20FPI radiator with the bitfenix spectre and I have less than 1 CFM on them XD
(not on there anymore obviously, I just wanted to see how poor performance would be.

If space in his case is an issue, and he has a really high static pressure fan (like the delta 252s) then I would imagine it would increase performance, so long as he doesn't undervolt the fans (which would decrease their SP)
Edited by ZytheEKS - 4/20/13 at 2:12am
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