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nVIDIA drivers are better, game compatibility is better, AMD fools you with game bundles, brags about Kabini and Temash because 'they need time'...

What the crap is this? Talk about nVIDIA bias!!

Yes because one person's experience can generalize the entire user base of Nvidia drivers. In my experience, both NV and AMD have their pros and cons in the driver area. In my experience.
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Yes because one person's experience can generalize the entire user base of Nvidia drivers. In my experience, both NV and AMD have their pros and cons in the driver area. In my experience.

I'm not sure you understood my message. I was quoting the FUDspreading fanboy that wrote the article.

And in fact, I've had more driver issues with nVIDIA than with AMD.

Although my experiences are from the 8800GT and posterior SLI days, and the AMD ones are from the HD5870/HD6950.
   
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At this point, AMD has two options to move merchandise. Another price drop or a game bundle.

The game bundle option allows them to keep current pricing so it's not a complete shock when they release the next generation of cards at higher prices. Plus it did entice a few gamers to try switching brands this generation.
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At this point, AMD has two options to move merchandise. Another price drop or a game bundle.

If they reduce the prices, they risk being seen as the 'cheap' alternative (cheap, not inexpensive), and lose brand prestige. Bundling games does not have this downside.
   
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If they reduce the prices, they risk being seen as the 'cheap' alternative (cheap, not inexpensive), and lose brand prestige. Bundling games does not have this downside.

While bundling games doesn't have that downside, it's conditioning buyers to only buy cards from them only when there's an overwhelming (and somewhat costly for AMD) bundle that comes with it. Such a move does protect market share, but at the risk of reduced margins.

The open question is what will happen when AMD eventually reduces or eliminates their bundles. I doubt that they can keep offering them indefinitely, even if they wanted to.

Then again they might be able to do so until the 8000-series rolls out, at which point they could probably drop their bundle down to at most a single game without too much outcry.
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That's subjective. I have nothing but weird problems every now and then when the driver just panics for no reason, randomly forcing 2d clocks because it wants me to upgrade to a newer gpu even though my current is still supported within the package .

I'm not surprised in the least bit, AMD have always made a loss when attempting to push against the popularity.

Intel has a massive marketshare over AMD. Including the OEM markets.

Brand recognition. Brand recognition. Brand recognition.

I don't think I've ever seen an AMD TV advertisement, but lots of Intel ultrabook ads.

There was also a large Dell kiosk in a Chicago shopping mall that had lots of banners (and advertisements around the stores). Every one of them directly mentioned Intel.
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While bundling games doesn't have that downside, it's conditioning buyers to only buy cards from them only when there's an overwhelming (and somewhat costly for AMD) bundle that comes with it. Such a move does protect market share, but at the risk of reduced margins.

It increases marketshare, because it encourages users to try an AMD card. If they are satisfied, a part of them will buy AMD cards on their next purchase.

That is what AMD pursues.
   
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now stop talking nonsense. Does HP and Dell fix Intel mobile CPU prices. Nvidia decides the price of their mobile GPUs like GTX 680MX / GTX 680M and not OEMs. Why do you think Titan sells for USD 1000 . because Nvidia knows they can sell it for USD 1000. the mobile GTX 680M costs around USD 625. it has 1 SMX disabled and is similar to GTX 670 chip , with lower clocks and power. the desktop GTX 670 costs USD 400. so thats a 56% higher price . the GTX 680MX which utilizes a full GK104 chip is even more costly.

here is alienware configuration page. a second HD 7970M GPU adds USD 350 from base price which includes a HD 7970M. a pair of GTX 680M adds USD 900 to the cost. since a HD 7970M costs USD 350 you are looking at USD 1250 (350 + 900) for 2 680M GPUs . so it works out to USD 625 per GTX 680M GPU.

http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?oc=dkdwly2&model_id=alienware-m18x-r2&c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19

Well firstly, i may have mis-phrased the sentence. Yes, AMD and Nvidia have more control over the pricing, but that is in the traditional desktop market. The following argument is just for your reasoning and does not include other variables. In the OEM space, think of OEM's as an intermediary, The consumer knows that both of the top end flagships perform toe to toe in desktop space and so in mobile (Proof). Now if the consumer knows that there is a mere 1~4fps difference between the two flagships but the GTX costs an arm and an leg, consumers like me and you as well would go with something that is more budget friendly. Unless you decide that you want to spend that much. The end result being the cost passed on to the consumer and OEM's are more aggressive towards their cost than the top two dogs in the GPU space, due to competition. Then comes the Titan. As i said i was referring to the OEM argument and traditional desktop space is still much free for either of them to decide on the pricing. And common, you are talking about Alienware. You know that. People who are ill-informed buy them just because of a brand. Nothing else. I bet a desktop half the price could perform at least close to their machine with similar specs. (Yea i know i exaggerated the price, but you do get the point).
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I recall seeing an i7 laptop with a GT 610m GPU. The HD 3000 was actually on par or better than the 610m.

I wouldn't be surprised if some people bought the laptop...
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Yes they need the bundles to sell their cards. Nvidia has stronger brand recognition which results in them selling almost three times as much high end 6xx cards as AMD is selling high end 7xxx cards (source: go look at the most recent steam survey)
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At this point, AMD has two options to move merchandise. Another price drop or a game bundle.

The game bundle option allows them to keep current pricing so it's not a complete shock when they release the next generation of cards at higher prices. Plus it did entice a few gamers to try switching brands this generation.

so then why is Nvidia bundling Metro Last Light with their cards GTX 660 and above. is it because they are failing to move merchandise thumb.gif i find it disingenous that when Nvidia bundles games its called marketing or improving brand recognition and when AMD does its called desperate move to sell their product.
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