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Like i said 40-50fps is easily noticeable. When i get 80fps+ with CFX it does not feel like 40-50fps.

And he is saying you don't notice it because you're using a 60Hz monitor.

And are you implying these reviewers are lying? The results on the graph have been proven over and over and AMD even acknowledged it.

Like I said before, what's the point of having super high FPS when the observed FPS is lower than the competing single/multi-GPU solutions.
 
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And he is saying you don't notice it because you're using a 60Hz monitor.

And are you implying these reviewers are lying? The results on the graph have been proven over and over and AMD even acknowledged it.

Like I said before, what's the point of having super high FPS when the observed FPS is lower than the competing single/multi-GPU solutions.


and how you know that??

How pcper prove OBSERVED are not really 60 when is displaying 60?


everytime i see that graph makes me laugh so hard...

Come on......
Everybody that play videogames can notice a drop from 30 to 20's specially if is 60 to 20's...

Cant believe how this guys still preaching this stuff...
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I love the thread title. Oh yeah, no bias. rolleyes.gif
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Originally Posted by Clairvoyant129 View Post

And he is saying you don't notice it because you're using a 60Hz monitor.

And are you implying these reviewers are lying? The results on the graph have been proven over and over and AMD even acknowledged it.

Like I said before, what's the point of having super high FPS when the observed FPS is lower than the competing single/multi-GPU solutions.

If you're using a 60hz display just cap the framerate, problem solved. It'll be smoother than a comparable single gpu solution without a cap.
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And he is saying you don't notice it because you're using a 60Hz monitor.

And are you implying these reviewers are lying? The results on the graph have been proven over and over and AMD even acknowledged it.

Like I said before, what's the point of having super high FPS when the observed FPS is lower than the competing single/multi-GPU solutions.
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Originally Posted by Clairvoyant129 View Post

And he is saying you don't notice it because you're using a 60Hz monitor.

And are you implying these reviewers are lying? The results on the graph have been proven over and over and AMD even acknowledged it.

Like I said before, what's the point of having super high FPS when the observed FPS is lower than the competing single/multi-GPU solutions.

Even in 60Hz monitor you can notice the difference between 60 fps and 80 fps in smoothness. If you think otherwise try playing some real games for a change. Try some old school games like CSS and CS 1.6 and see if it make a difference. On top of that having 100 fps in 60Hz makes sure you dont drop below 60fps.

As for PCPER they are dropping the runt frames which do have effect in smoothness. If they did not then CFX would have been a scam.
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everytime i see that graph makes me laugh so hard...

Only because you have absolutely no understanding of what it represents or the methodology used to obtain it.
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If you're using a 60hz display just cap the framerate, problem solved. It'll be smoother than a comparable single gpu solution without a cap.

Not always.
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Originally Posted by Clairvoyant129 View Post

And he is saying you don't notice it because you're using a 60Hz monitor.

And are you implying these reviewers are lying? The results on the graph have been proven over and over and AMD even acknowledged it.

Like I said before, what's the point of having super high FPS when the observed FPS is lower than the competing single/multi-GPU solutions.
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Originally Posted by Clairvoyant129 View Post

And he is saying you don't notice it because you're using a 60Hz monitor.

And are you implying these reviewers are lying? The results on the graph have been proven over and over and AMD even acknowledged it.

Like I said before, what's the point of having super high FPS when the observed FPS is lower than the competing single/multi-GPU solutions.

Even in 60Hz monitor you can notice the difference between 60 fps and 80 fps in smoothness. If you think otherwise try playing some real games for a change. Try some old school games like CSS and CS 1.6 and see if it make a difference. On top of that having 100 fps in 60Hz makes sure you don't drop below 60fps.

As for PCPER they are dropping the runt frames which do have effect in smoothness. If they did not then CFX would have been a scam.

How do you not see what you are saying? The same microstutter I can feel at 135+ fps you claim you can't feel, yet you feel the difference of 80fps makes on a 60 Hz monitor? Slightly ironic no? You feel a difference that science proves doesn't exist, yet we have science stating frame time variation is erratic in CFX, AMD has admitted there IS a problem, and some users CAN feel it, but you say can't exist.

Keeping 100 FPS @ 60 Hz does one thing, and only one thing, raises your average FPS. If you are going to go to 45 FPS for a second due to whatever is happening in game, no matter how high the frame rate was going just before it, will tank for a second. However, it is common knowledge the spike in FPS is less felt if your AVG fps has a low standard deviation from your minimum frame rate.

I.e. The closer your average frame rate is to the minimum FPS, the less the minimum FPS spike is noticeable.

Perhaps what you meant is, the lower your frame rate, the less obvious low FPS spikes are.

My argument is right now, that CFX is a scam. Which you just admitted if you believed what we are all observing, you would also think is a scam.
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I love the thread title. Oh yeah, no bias. rolleyes.gif

If you're using a 60hz display just cap the framerate, problem solved. It'll be smoother than a comparable single gpu solution without a cap.

It does alleviate some titles, but not others, and in general its unacceptable to cripple what a card can produce just to get quality frame rates. In addition to that, some titles on a 120 Hz monitor don't reach 119 FPS consistently and every so often, it breaks a frame cap for me, and then its horrendous stutter until application restart.

In addition to that, if you are only capable of using 59~60 FPS to generate, why pay more for the extra hardware? Frame capping is not the end all be all, nor should a person pay for the extra performance, and not be allowed to use it. Nor is raw FPS the only thing that matters to video cards.
Edited by RagingCain - 4/22/13 at 2:26pm
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How do you not see what you are saying? The same microstutter I can feel at 135+ fps you claim you can't feel, yet you feel the difference of 80fps makes on a 60 Hz monitor? Slightly ironic no? You feel a difference that science proves doesn't exist, yet we have science stating frame time variation is erratic, AMD has admitted to it, and some users can FEEL it, but you say can't exist.

Keeping 100 FPS @ 60 Hz does one thing, and only one thing, raises your average FPS. If you are going to go to 45 FPS for a second due to whatever is happening in game, no matter how high the frame rate was going just before it, will tank for a second. However, it is common knowledge the spike in FPS is less felt if your AVG fps has a low standard deviation from your minimum frame rate.

I.e. The closer your average frame rate is to the minimum FPS, the less the minimum FPS spike is noticeable.

Perhaps what you meant is, the lower your frame rate, the less obvious low FPS spikes are.
It does alleviate some titles, but not others, and in general its unacceptable to cripple what a card can produce just to get quality frame rates.

In addition to that, if you are only capable of using 59~60 FPS to generate, why pay more for the extra hardware? Frame capping is not the end all be all, nor should a person pay for the extra performance, and not be allowed to use it. Nor is raw FPS the only thing that matters to video cards.

Really well said.

Edit: Oh, and it does exist. I noticed it with one card!
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Only because you have absolutely no understanding of what it represents or the methodology used to obtain it.

Methodology? What methodology?

That i did play crysis 3 a 20 frame avg ? and i didnt notice it?
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PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Come on......
Everybody that play videogames can notice a drop from 30 to 20's specially if is 60 to 20's...

Cant believe how this guys still preaching this stuff...

Because it's all relative. If you're running dual GPU, of course you're going to notice a drop from 60 to 20. Same with a single GPU. Point is, frame rates the same, single GPU feels far better. This is not opinion even. This is fact.
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Really well said.

Edit: Oh, and it does exist. I noticed it with one card!

really? lol
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