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What did you order lol, I do agree there shipping is a little absurd, Kinda irritates me when I get a package from them and its priority mail. Got a watercooling block and backplate from them and there USPS shipping was 23 dollars, ya well it doesn't cost that much to ship that in any world. I could get it shipped from EK direct from another country for less than that.....

It actually makes me miss FCPU but I guess there prices were higher so it evened out.

Some compression fittings and tubing to test the code.

I ended up buying most of my stuff direct from EK since their lower shipping costs more than offset the 10% code + PCS handling fee.
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That's really weird. I ordered $700 worth of stuff last week from PCSS, and it the cost for shipping alone was about $12 through Fedex.
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That's really weird. I ordered $700 worth of stuff last week from PCSS, and it the cost for shipping alone was about $12 through Fedex.


Most likely has to do with where you live are you in Florida? I am in Arizona and there shipping is absurd.

I quoted the USPS price for the block although Fedex would only be 18 dollars and UPS was 27. That is to ship a small GPU waterblock that weighs 2 pounds.......
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I'm in California, so like I said, it's about $13-16 every time I order. I hate it lol.
    
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...Part of that is the "Handling" charge part of "Shipping and handling" and then they have to pay for the box they use...

...they don't have to pay for USPS boxes...

Yes, they (and you) have to pay for the USPOS boxes. The cost of the box is included with the shipping cost.

I don't understand why people are so obsessed with the cost of shipping. When shopping around for something, I couldn't give the north end of a southbound furry little rodent how much shipping costs since I compare the bottom line—product + shipping + taxes—and usually go with the least expensive one overall (vendor reliability, shipping time, customer service, etc. are other factors I consider). There is no such thing as "free shipping"; the cost of the shipping is just factored into the price of the product. Also, the higher the volume a company ships in a given period of time, the less profit margin is needed to stay in business (usually, some of the big companies will still gouge their customers, especially if they have somewhat of a monopoly for their products or have established a good reputation and decide to abuse it).
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Yes, they (and you) have to pay for the USPOS boxes. The cost of the box is included with the shipping cost.

I don't understand why people are so obsessed with the cost of shipping. When shopping around for something, I couldn't give the north end of a southbound furry little rodent how much shipping costs since I compare the bottom line—product + shipping + taxes—and usually go with the least expensive one overall (vendor reliability, shipping time, customer service, etc. are other factors I consider). There is no such thing as "free shipping"; the cost of the shipping is just factored into the price of the product. Also, the higher the volume a company ships in a given period of time, the less profit margin is needed to stay in business (usually, some of the big companies will still gouge their customers, especially if they have somewhat of a monopoly for their products or have established a good reputation and decide to abuse it).

Its not the cost of shipping that we care about so much as it is there shipping fees are ridiculous, You can say they are small and that is why but frankly that isn't true I shop from smaller stores and they dont charge insane amounts on shipping like that.

To mark products slightly down and then charge outrageous shipping is kind of a slimey move. Like I said when it cost more to ship something from Florida to Arizona and it can be shipped from another country for less there is something wrong.

"product + shipping + taxes" well this is all fine and good when you are not a monopoly... When FCPU was around this was not an issue now they are gone and its a major issue.

Now part of the fault is usps, I just used there calculator. If you were to use your own box it would be 15 dollars to ship from me to them. If I was to use a flat rate box (the block would and does fit in a small.) it would be 6 dollars, however they are charging 22. Small businesses are allowed to use Flat Rate, they should do that.
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Yes, they (and you) have to pay for the USPOS boxes. The cost of the box is included with the shipping cost.

Actually, the flat rate boxes are 100% free with USPS. Anyone can walk in to any postal office and take the flat rate boxes without paying for them. And (I believe) you can even have USPS deliver a bundle of them to your door with their next route via the website, 100% for free too.

I've also sold a lot online and I do this all the time: walk in to local post office, leave with 5-10 boxes without talking to anyone or paying anything. They're usually in a little stand out by the mail drop slots.

And part of USPS meaning "Flat Rate" is for a respective box size, anything that can physically fit in the box ships for that price, no matter if it's 25 lbs or 2 lbs, the price is always the same. We can put 40 lbs of water blocks and copper parts in a large flat rate box and it would still only be $16 to ship it, or a single fitting in a small flat rate box and it would only be $5 to ship it. They even give a -10% discount on shipping prices (USPS) if you buy the postage through the website and print it out yourself.

So yes.. performance PCS is charging almost +3x what the USPS actually charges to ship things.
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Actually, the flat rate boxes are 100% free with USPS. Anyone can walk in to any postal office and take the flat rate boxes without paying for them. And (I believe) you can even have USPS deliver a bundle of them to your door with their next route via the website, 100% for free too.

I've also sold a lot online and I do this all the time: walk in to local post office, leave with 5-10 boxes without talking to anyone or paying anything. They're usually in a little stand out by the mail drop slots.

What she is saying is they factor in the price of the box in the shipping rates they give you, you pay for it when you ship it. If that is true its kinda a bad logic as I do the same as you, but I use them for other things as well like storage of small items so I get free boxes and never ship them hehehe.
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Yes, they (and you) have to pay for the USPOS boxes. The cost of the box is included with the shipping cost.

I don't understand why people are so obsessed with the cost of shipping. When shopping around for something, I couldn't give the north end of a southbound furry little rodent how much shipping costs since I compare the bottom line—product + shipping + taxes—and usually go with the least expensive one overall (vendor reliability, shipping time, customer service, etc. are other factors I consider). There is no such thing as "free shipping"; the cost of the shipping is just factored into the price of the product. Also, the higher the volume a company ships in a given period of time, the less profit margin is needed to stay in business (usually, some of the big companies will still gouge their customers, especially if they have somewhat of a monopoly for their products or have established a good reputation and decide to abuse it).

Its not the cost of shipping that we care about so much as it is there shipping fees are ridiculous, You can say they are small and that is why but frankly that isn't true I shop from smaller stores and they dont charge insane amounts on shipping like that.

To mark products slightly down and then charge outrageous shipping is kind of a slimey move. Like I said when it cost more to ship something from Florida to Arizona and it can be shipped from another country for less there is something wrong.

"product + shipping + taxes" well this is all fine and good when you are not a monopoly... When FCPU was around this was not an issue now they are gone and its a major issue.

Now part of the fault is usps, I just used there calculator. If you were to use your own box it would be 15 dollars to ship from me to them. If I was to use a flat rate box (the block would and does fit in a small.) it would be 6 dollars, however they are charging 22. Small businesses are allowed to use Flat Rate, they should do that.

Again, if you only look at the bottom line (product + shipping, including handling + taxes, it doesn't matter if you get charged actual shipping costs plus actual product price, inflated shipping costs to allow lowering product price, or inflated product prices to allow supposedly lower shipping costs, it all comes out of the same pocket.

Your cost USPOS analysis fails to cover the cost of labor to pull the order, then package it. Even if using a flat rate box, the packing materials used to protect the products inside the box cost money. someone has to pay for it and, whether you get charged for it directly or the cost is added to the price of the product, you are still the one paying for it.

As far as this being "not an issue" only when FCPU was still around, you are dead wrong. Prior to FCPU going south, I would compare the bottom lines between them and PPCs and they were pretty much similar. Sometimes one would be a bit less expensive than the other, especially if a promotional discount was available, and that would be the one I would order from. When FCPU went down , PPCs announced they would not price gouge customers and, so far, I have yet to see any sign of it.

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Yes, they (and you) have to pay for the USPOS boxes. The cost of the box is included with the shipping cost.

Actually, the flat rate boxes are 100% free with USPS. Anyone can walk in to any postal office and take the flat rate boxes without paying for them. And (I believe) you can even have USPS deliver a bundle of them to your door with their next route via the website, 100% for free too.

I've also sold a lot online and I do this all the time: walk in to local post office, leave with 5-10 boxes without talking to anyone or paying anything. They're usually in a little stand out by the mail drop slots.

And part of USPS meaning "Flat Rate" is for a respective box size, anything that can physically fit in the box ships for that price, no matter if it's 25 lbs or 2 lbs, the price is always the same. We can put 40 lbs of water blocks and copper parts in a large flat rate box and it would still only be $16 to ship it, or a single fitting in a small flat rate box and it would only be $5 to ship it. They even give a -10% discount on shipping prices (USPS) if you buy the postage through the website and print it out yourself.

So yes.. performance PCS is charging almost +3x what the USPS actually charges to ship things.

You are also ignoring the cost of labor to pull the order and pack it. Keep in mind labor costs more than just the wage or salary of the worker. Each employee cost a company overhead in the form of taxes, insurance (liability, disability, Medicare and SSI), any other benefits. The overhead per employee can easily exceed the wage or salary the employee is paid.

Why do you think the USPOS can afford to discount the cost of shipping if you pay for it and print out the shipping label your self? It's because you replaced the cost of labor required to prepare the shipping label and put it on the package and the cost of materials for printing it. Another part of that cost reduction for the USPOS is reduced wear and tear on their equipment.
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Actually, the flat rate boxes are 100% free with USPS. Anyone can walk in to any postal office and take the flat rate boxes without paying for them. And (I believe) you can even have USPS deliver a bundle of them to your door with their next route via the website, 100% for free too.

I've also sold a lot online and I do this all the time: walk in to local post office, leave with 5-10 boxes without talking to anyone or paying anything. They're usually in a little stand out by the mail drop slots.

What she is saying is they factor in the price of the box in the shipping rates they give you, you pay for it when you ship it. If that is true its kinda a bad logic as I do the same as you, but I use them for other things as well like storage of small items so I get free boxes and never ship them hehehe.

Taking USPOS boxes for use other than shipping materials through the USPOS is stealing. Period! Just because they are easily accessible doesn't make it right. Someone has to pay for those boxes and I guarantee it isn't the USPOS.

I worked in warehousing for a major AZ electric and irrigation utility, including in supervision, for thirty years, which included frequent extended stints in Shipping & Receiving. I worked retail for a while after I retired to fill the gap between retirement and Social Security kicking in, again including some lower level supervision (retail is very similar to warehousing except some sales skills are also needed). I'm very familiar with how the industry works and what the real costs are.
     
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Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald View Post

Again, if you only look at the bottom line (product + shipping, including handling + taxes, it doesn't matter if you get charged actual shipping costs plus actual product price, inflated shipping costs to allow lowering product price, or inflated product prices to allow supposedly lower shipping costs, it all comes out of the same pocket.

Your cost USPOS analysis fails to cover the cost of labor to pull the order, then package it. Even if using a flat rate box, the packing materials used to protect the products inside the box cost money. someone has to pay for it and, whether you get charged for it directly or the cost is added to the price of the product, you are still the one paying for it.

As far as this being "not an issue" only when FCPU was still around, you are dead wrong. Prior to FCPU going south, I would compare the bottom lines between them and PPCs and they were pretty much similar. Sometimes one would be a bit less expensive than the other, especially if a promotional discount was available, and that would be the one I would order from. When FCPU went down , PPCs announced they would not price gouge customers and, so far, I have yet to see any sign of it.
You are also ignoring the cost of labor to pull the order and pack it. Keep in mind labor costs more than just the wage or salary of the worker. Each employee cost a company overhead in the form of taxes, insurance (liability, disability, Medicare and SSI), any other benefits. The overhead per employee can easily exceed the wage or salary the employee is paid.

Why do you think the USPOS can afford to discount the cost of shipping if you pay for it and print out the shipping label your self? It's because you replaced the cost of labor required to prepare the shipping label and put it on the package and the cost of materials for printing it. Another part of that cost reduction for the USPOS is reduced wear and tear on their equipment.
Taking USPOS boxes for use other than shipping materials through the USPOS is stealing. Period! Just because they are easily accessible doesn't make it right. Someone has to pay for those boxes and I guarantee it isn't the USPOS.

I worked in warehousing for a major AZ electric and irrigation utility, including in supervision, for thirty years, which included frequent extended stints in Shipping & Receiving. I worked retail for a while after I retired to fill the gap between retirement and Social Security kicking in, again including some lower level supervision (retail is very similar to warehousing except some sales skills are also needed). I'm very familiar with how the industry works and what the real costs are.

Well see but that is part of the issue, I agree inflated prices or high shipping costs, but you missed the entire point of what I was saying. Lets go with what you said for a second though, PPCS wants 130 for a r9 290x block, FCPU wants 115 for the same block and EK wants 122. Now PPCs price is higher and with there shipping it is alot more.

If FCPU was still around there shipping would be 12.59, PPCs is 22.56 for usps 17.15 for fed ex, EKs is 22.18. Now lets see the totals

EK Direct 145.17
PPC 147.14
FCPU 127.58

Now that may not seem like much a of a difference however lets time that by in my case 3 blocks, that is a 50 dollar difference from FCPU vs PPCs. Back when FCPU was around they were always cheaper for me always, The only reason I ordered from PPC was if FCPU didn't have the item.

the problem here is that PPCs prices have increased maybe not to gouging standards but they have went up, to more than everyone elses.
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