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I just placed an order at PPCs for a reservoir and fittings and USPS shipping was only $12. That's pretty much the price I'd pay if I went to the PO myself.
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I just placed an order at PPCs for a reservoir and fittings and USPS shipping was only $12. That's pretty much the price I'd pay if I went to the PO myself.

It think it depends heavily on where you live. You are in the Midwest I am on the other side of the country so its a little different.
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Again, if you only look at the bottom line (product + shipping, including handling + taxes, it doesn't matter if you get charged actual shipping costs plus actual product price, inflated shipping costs to allow lowering product price, or inflated product prices to allow supposedly lower shipping costs, it all comes out of the same pocket.

Your cost USPOS analysis fails to cover the cost of labor to pull the order, then package it. Even if using a flat rate box, the packing materials used to protect the products inside the box cost money. someone has to pay for it and, whether you get charged for it directly or the cost is added to the price of the product, you are still the one paying for it.

As far as this being "not an issue" only when FCPU was still around, you are dead wrong. Prior to FCPU going south, I would compare the bottom lines between them and PPCs and they were pretty much similar. Sometimes one would be a bit less expensive than the other, especially if a promotional discount was available, and that would be the one I would order from. When FCPU went down , PPCs announced they would not price gouge customers and, so far, I have yet to see any sign of it.
You are also ignoring the cost of labor to pull the order and pack it. Keep in mind labor costs more than just the wage or salary of the worker. Each employee cost a company overhead in the form of taxes, insurance (liability, disability, Medicare and SSI), any other benefits. The overhead per employee can easily exceed the wage or salary the employee is paid.

Why do you think the USPOS can afford to discount the cost of shipping if you pay for it and print out the shipping label your self? It's because you replaced the cost of labor required to prepare the shipping label and put it on the package and the cost of materials for printing it. Another part of that cost reduction for the USPOS is reduced wear and tear on their equipment.
Taking USPOS boxes for use other than shipping materials through the USPOS is stealing. Period! Just because they are easily accessible doesn't make it right. Someone has to pay for those boxes and I guarantee it isn't the USPOS.

I worked in warehousing for a major AZ electric and irrigation utility, including in supervision, for thirty years, which included frequent extended stints in Shipping & Receiving. I worked retail for a while after I retired to fill the gap between retirement and Social Security kicking in, again including some lower level supervision (retail is very similar to warehousing except some sales skills are also needed). I'm very familiar with how the industry works and what the real costs are.

Well see but that is part of the issue, I agree inflated prices or high shipping costs, but you missed the entire point of what I was saying. Lets go with what you said for a second though, PPCS wants 130 for a r9 290x block, FCPU wants 115 for the same block and EK wants 122. Now PPCs price is higher and with there shipping it is alot more.

If FCPU was still around there shipping would be 12.59, PPCs is 22.56 for usps 17.15 for fed ex, EKs is 22.18. Now lets see the totals

EK Direct 145.17
PPC 147.14
FCPU 127.58

Now that may not seem like much a of a difference however lets time that by in my case 3 blocks, that is a 50 dollar difference from FCPU vs PPCs. Back when FCPU was around they were always cheaper for me always, The only reason I ordered from PPC was if FCPU didn't have the item.

the problem here is that PPCs prices have increased maybe not to gouging standards but they have went up, to more than everyone elses.

And you are missing my point. When FCPU was still viable, it was my experience that its bottom line and PPCs' bottom line varied very little and it was a crapshoot which one was going to be better. You are also comparing the prices of a retailer, which has to make its own profit, and direct sales from a manufacturer who is not sharing profits with a middleman.

Keep in mind interest rates recently went up. That increases the cost of doing business which has to be passed along to the customers. Prices have gone up pretty much everywhere except for some commodities such as oil and gas. Also, FCPU may be selling older stock that was acquired prior to its difficulties when prices were lower since many vendors have not been sending stock to FCPU.

Then there is the fact a company can pretty much charge what ever it wants for products and services. If you don't like their products, don't buy from them. If the company is the only one that carries what you want, hello! Welcome to Supply and Demand. You make not like that concept but, being old enough to remember living rough the Ford era price controls that were instated in a misguided attempt to quell the runaway inflation of the Carter era, I assure you it beats the alternatives.

Another point: how do you think companies can afford to give discounts that are higher than their profit margins? I personally wish companies would just sell at the same price all the times instead of playing the discount (albeit from codes or coupons) game but that game is what attracts customers.

Btw, check your math. I see only a $19.56 difference between the high and low price.
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And you are missing my point. When FCPU was still viable, it was my experience that its bottom line and PPCs' bottom line varied very little and it was a crapshoot which one was going to be better. You are also comparing the prices of a retailer, which has to make its own profit, and direct sales from a manufacturer who is not sharing profits with a middleman.

Keep in mind interest rates recently went up. That increases the cost of doing business which has to be passed along to the customers. Prices have gone up pretty much everywhere except for some commodities such as oil and gas. Also, FCPU may be selling older stock that was acquired prior to its difficulties when prices were lower since many vendors have not been sending stock to FCPU.

Then there is the fact a company can pretty much charge what ever it wants for products and services. If you don't like their products, don't buy from them. If the company is the only one that carries what you want, hello! Welcome to Supply and Demand. You make not like that concept but, being old enough to remember living rough the Ford era price controls that were instated in a misguided attempt to quell the runaway inflation of the Carter era, I assure you it beats the alternatives.

Another point: how do you think companies can afford to give discounts that are higher than their profit margins? I personally wish companies would just sell at the same price all the times instead of playing the discount (albeit from codes or coupons) game but that game is what attracts customers.

Btw, check your math. I see only a $19.56 difference between the high and low price.

Ya a 19.56 diffrence for each block now times that by 3 blocks I have 3 not 1 so that is 60 dollar difference...

"and direct sales from a manufacturer who is not sharing profits with a middleman." Ya only I own a retail shop I know what profit margins are and they are a lot more than you seem to think they are lol. There is usually a minimum price that must be charged according to the wholesaler, if you abide that you have quite a steep profit margin it would surprise you honestly. If you think they are making table scraps from these blocks like 10 15 dollars I am here to tell you, you are seriously mistaking. Try 60-70, Most retailers will not carry a product at all unless the profit margin is over 40%. Of course from that 40% you have to keep the lights on, pay employees (if you have them) ect. However Retail profit margins are quite high.

As to the blocks ya you are right they used to be 120 compared to PPCs 125.
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It think it depends heavily on where you live. You are in the Midwest I am on the other side of the country so its a little different.


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How old are you?
teaching.gif ... USPS Flat Rate is the same no MATTER where you reside in the nation.

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laughingsmiley.gif

How old are you?
teaching.gif ... USPS Flat Rate is the same no MATTER where you reside in the nation.

SS

LOL, that is the problem my friend I would assume is they are not shipping flat rate. Do not argue with me about it argue with PPCs that charges me more than him..... A small flat rate box that they send my block in also doesn't cost 23 dollars yet that is what I am charged so.

Also would love to know where in the last 2 pages anyone said that PPCs ships via flat rate?? Or do you just like to make insult people for no reason at all?
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And you are missing my point. When FCPU was still viable, it was my experience that its bottom line and PPCs' bottom line varied very little and it was a crapshoot which one was going to be better. You are also comparing the prices of a retailer, which has to make its own profit, and direct sales from a manufacturer who is not sharing profits with a middleman.

Keep in mind interest rates recently went up. That increases the cost of doing business which has to be passed along to the customers. Prices have gone up pretty much everywhere except for some commodities such as oil and gas. Also, FCPU may be selling older stock that was acquired prior to its difficulties when prices were lower since many vendors have not been sending stock to FCPU.

Then there is the fact a company can pretty much charge what ever it wants for products and services. If you don't like their products, don't buy from them. If the company is the only one that carries what you want, hello! Welcome to Supply and Demand. You make not like that concept but, being old enough to remember living rough the Ford era price controls that were instated in a misguided attempt to quell the runaway inflation of the Carter era, I assure you it beats the alternatives.

Another point: how do you think companies can afford to give discounts that are higher than their profit margins? I personally wish companies would just sell at the same price all the times instead of playing the discount (albeit from codes or coupons) game but that game is what attracts customers.

Btw, check your math. I see only a $19.56 difference between the high and low price.

Ya a 19.56 diffrence for each block now times that by 3 blocks I have 3 not 1 so that is 60 dollar difference...

"and direct sales from a manufacturer who is not sharing profits with a middleman." Ya only I own a retail shop I know what profit margins are and they are a lot more than you seem to think they are lol. There is usually a minimum price that must be charged according to the wholesaler, if you abide that you have quite a steep profit margin it would surprise you honestly. If you think they are making table scraps from these blocks like 10 15 dollars I am here to tell you, you are seriously mistaking. Try 60-70, Most retailers will not carry a product at all unless the profit margin is over 40%. Of course from that 40% you have to keep the lights on, pay employees (if you have them) ect. However Retail profit margins are quite high.

As to the blocks ya you are right they used to be 120 compared to PPCs 125.

What part of I worked retail did you miss? I used to do the receiving, the daily books, etc. I know darned well how much profit margins are. Btw, markup and profit margins are not the same thing. Most of markup goes to overhead (salaries or wages, employee overhead, utilities, plant maintenance, plant rent, advertising, taxes, interest on operating capital, etc.). When I was in warehousing, I did some purchasing as well as shipping and receiving and also did inventory audits and discrepancy resolution. I've also run three small business, two in which I was the sole employee and one in which I used independent contractors (minimizes paperwork and taxes).
     
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That's really weird. I ordered $700 worth of stuff last week from PCSS, and it the cost for shipping alone was about $12 through Fedex.

International shipping is awesome, you guys have it so good with your shipping prices.
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What part of I worked retail did you miss? I used to do the receiving, the daily books, etc. I know darned well how much profit margins are. Btw, markup and profit margins are not the same thing. Most of markup goes to overhead (salaries or wages, employee overhead, utilities, plant maintenance, plant rent, advertising, taxes, interest on operating capital, etc.). When I was in warehousing, I did some purchasing as well as shipping and receiving and also did inventory audits and discrepancy resolution. I've also run three small business, two in which I was the sole employee and one in which I used independent contractors (minimizes paperwork and taxes).

I am just the sole employee period more profit hahaha smile.gif. I didn't see you say that my bad, well than you should know they can charge the same amount of makers retail price thats what a suggested retail price is for.

Anyway I just noticed something strange, So I checked the shipping price earlier when making the first post and making the comparison post. Both times 290x block was 22 in shipping USPS, I just did it again to see the differences to see if it is flat rate (it isnt). And now my price is 16.78...... So in the last hour that price has changed for some reason??? Maybe PPCs is reading this lol.
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teaching.gif ... USPS Flat Rate is the same no MATTER where you reside in the nation.

Onwards ya it most defiantly matters. Where you are they are not using flat rate shipping, which is very well part of the problem I assume. To me in Arizona it now says 16.78, if I was in florida the zip i used was 32003 it is 8.72 dollars, To kansas ciuty kansas is 15.37, These 3 should be enough to get an idea that it is location based.
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Well, shipping or no, the code from the last order saved me almost $70
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