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post #171 of 498
i didnt think the occulus introduced overhead with 3D as it was 3D by virtue of a different mechanism to the standard shutter glasses that need 120hz ?
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Not what I mean. I'm interested in how the TV handles a desktop resolution of 640x480, 800x600, 1280x720, and 1920x1080. If you play a video of that resolution but have a desktop res of 2160p, you're just testing the media player's upscaling, not the TV.

The thing is, I'm not interested in video but older games. Unlike some people, I like to play all sorts of games - old and new. The last thing I would want however is to have to use two different displays just because the newer display makes older games look WORSE than an older display.

I don't have screenshots of it, but I loaded Total Annihilation, an old game by anyone's standards.

It was published September 30, 1997 (about 16 years ago)

It.
Looked.
Beautiful.
post #173 of 498
You guys I just found a 39 inch UHD tv on the Chinese market for ultra cheap.
I might just import one although the downside is that it just like this tv uses 30Hz hdmi 1.4(single)
post #174 of 498
It's 2160p, or QuadHD, not 4k. 4k = 4,096. 4k is a cinema format, not an HD video format. I couldn't care less about 2160p displays. The only thing they do is allow shorter viewing distances. With this and the world being stuck at 24 FPS for movies, it's going to make the motion tracking judder even worse. The world should focus on higher frame rates for cinema first. Just that alone actually bumps up resolution. Pixel resolution mainly matters for still pictures. There are barely any TVs that can do a full 1080 lines of motion now. Any that can are plasma. LCD technology has been shown to be utterly pathetic in moving picture resolution. It's only going to get worse when it has to manage 4x the amount of pixels. "4k" is a gimmick.
 
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Not sure why it isn't called 2160p like we refer to 1920x1080 as 1080p and 2560x1440 as 1440p?

 

 

Most consumers don't know what the 1080p really stands for, "something about resolution and that it's higher than 720p" that's about it.  They don't know about the other 1920 lines.

 

Comparing 1080p to 2160p (from your average consumer's view) just looks you're doubling up from 1080p.  That'd actually be selling the TV short considering it's actually more than doubling the resolution overall.  

 

4k resolution, 4 times the quality.  Needs to be simple and repetitive.  

 

(just like TWC's recent motto. The "4 anys"

 

Any

  • Any content
  • Any device
  • Any time
  • Any where

 

Saying "4k resolution, 4 times the quality".... that really drives home what the marketers are trying to convey,.

 

 

But saying "2160p is actually 3,840 x 2,160 = 8,294,400 compared to 1080p which is only 1,920 x 1080p for 2.073,600." ....

That's WAYYYY too much for the consumer to think about or really care about.  

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It's 2160p, or QuadHD, not 4k. 4k = 4,096. 4k is a cinema format, not an HD video format.
This is pretty much how things should be labelled correctly, yeah.
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It's 2160p, or QuadHD, not 4k. 4k = 4,096. 4k is a cinema format, not an HD video format. I couldn't care less about 2160p displays. The only thing they do is allow shorter viewing distances. With this and the world being stuck at 24 FPS for movies, it's going to make the motion tracking judder even worse. The world should focus on higher frame rates for cinema first. Just that alone actually bumps up resolution. Pixel resolution mainly matters for still pictures. There are barely any TVs that can do a full 1080 lines of motion now. Any that can are plasma. LCD technology has been shown to be utterly pathetic in moving picture resolution. It's only going to get worse when it has to manage 4x the amount of pixels. "4k" is a gimmick.

 

to back this up...there are plenty of AMAZING 720p TVs that far outclass some 1080p models.  Resolution is certainly not the defining factor in TV quality.  Even professional photographers would go for a quality 12-16MP camera over some cheap 24mp camera.  

 

Cnet's review 

 

 

 

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Picture quality
The main thing that confuses many people new to the resolution topic is that after a certain point, having more pixels doesn't necessarily mean a better picture. Geoff Morrison goes into great detail on this issue in his article "Why 4K UHD TVs are still stupid," but the takeaway is that at normal seating distances, even the best 4K content in the best-case scenario isn't going to look more detailed on a 4K TV than on a 1080p TV. Factors like contrast and black level, color accuracy, and screen uniformity play a larger role in pleasing our eyes.

The Seiki's picture just can't compete in those areas compared with other TVs in its price range. Black levels are poor, shadow detail murky, color relatively inaccurate, and the screen less than uniform. Its color isn't terrible, however, and there's nothing spectacularly wrong with the way it converts normal high-def content, like 1080i and 1080p, to fit the 4K pixel array. Yes, given 4K content it can look more detailed as long as you sit close enough, but conversely, at those close distances its imperfect video processing makes the best 1080p content look less detailed than on a 1080p TV. And at this point in time, nearly everybody will be watching 1080p content on the Seiki.

 

 

Just recently they reviews a Panasonic Plasma and said....

 

 

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The good: The Panasonic VT60 produces the best picture quality of any TV we've ever reviewed, equal to or better than our in-house Pioneer Kuro reference; exceedingly deep black levels and excellent shadow detail; well-saturated colors and excellent skin tones; industry-leading sound quality; extensive features including touch-pad remote, voice control, and onboard camera.

 

Nothing about OMG the resolution is so much better than 720p.  That's not relevant.  It's about the quality of the picture, something resolution doesn't play much of a part in.  Unless you plan on sitting 3 feet from a 55inch TV, or have 100+ inch screen, 4k should NOT be a priority.  There are too many other factors that play a much bigger role. (IE. Google Nexus 10 screen vs. Ipad 4's = higher resolution, worse color accuracy/ contrast, resulting in a worse looking screen)

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Most consumers don't know what the 1080p really stands for, "something about resolution and that it's higher than 720p" that's about it.  They don't know about the other 1920 lines.

Comparing 1080p to 2160p (from your average consumer's view) just looks you're doubling up from 1080p.  That'd actually be selling the TV short considering it's actually more than doubling the resolution overall.  

4k resolution, 4 times the quality.  Needs to be simple and repetitive.  

(just like TWC's recent motto. The "4 anys"

Any
  • Any content
  • Any device
  • Any time
  • Any where

Saying "4k resolution, 4 times the quality".... that really drives home what the marketers are trying to convey,.


But saying "2160p is actually 3,840 x 2,160 = 8,294,400 compared to 1080p which is only 1,920 x 1080p for 2.073,600." ....
That's WAYYYY too much for the consumer to think about or really care about.  
Because most consumers are complete idiots I don't say not knowing what it stands for labels you as dumb.
But really this is just like advertising yeah quad core Phenom I is a great processor for a video editing rig it is just a joke.
You don't have to be an athiest or a genius to think for yourself and GOOGLE!

Yesterday I got a call from a friend of my mom she was talking about how the connector on her laptop's adapter port broke.
So I told her to just be sure that all the pins made contact and that it will be fine for charging she was like but isn't that dangerous.
I almost cried laughing then I explained to her that even if she was to touch the wires when the adapter was plugged in the resistance of the skin would be so high that the 12/19V won't affect her.
Point being she didn't believe me and was going to pay 250 euro to have a 3 year old laptop repaired.
Edited by maarten12100 - 5/9/13 at 7:54am
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Resolution will improve the picture. With 1080p go to your viewing distance where a nice photographic picture doesn't improve with added resolution. Then load up something like a cartoon that features very contrasted colors. South Park and the poof on Stan's hat is a good example. 4:2:0 is what makes 1080p not enough. Even 4:4:4 won't improve something with hard edges. You need TWICE the pixel density to get rid of individual pixel artifacts. We need twice the sample rate of the highest frequency for audio, and this same scheme applies to video. You need twice the "retina" pixel density to totally make pixels disappear and twice the FPS the eye can see to make motion realistically fluid.

2160p120 is what we need. For larger displays like 50" and up, we will need 4320p120.
 
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post #180 of 498
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Resolution will improve the picture. With 1080p go to your viewing distance where a nice photographic picture doesn't improve with added resolution. Then load up something like a cartoon that features very contrasted colors. South Park and the poof on Stan's hat is a good example. 4:2:0 is what makes 1080p not enough. Even 4:4:4 won't improve something with hard edges. You need TWICE the pixel density to get rid of individual pixel artifacts. We need twice the sample rate of the highest frequency for audio, and this same scheme applies to video. You need twice the "retina" pixel density to totally make pixels disappear and twice the FPS the eye can see to make motion realistically fluid.

2160p120 is what we need. For larger displays like 50" and up, we will need 4320p120.


bull, sorry but it is.

read these:


http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57366319-221/why-4k-tvs-are-stupid/

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57566079-221/why-ultra-hd-4k-tvs-are-still-stupid/


Contrast produces what we term definition, against black and white. With 4k , 5k , 8k 99% of people at recommended viewing distances wont see the difference.



Im sad that we didn't see 48/96hz 1080p in a less compressed format than blueray and proper HDMi Deep colour support on hardware and movies with a UHD colour gamut frown.gif that would look so fluid and beautiful on a nice plasma.

Your just being fed whats easier to make for the manufacturers, that and they need a new buzz format to get sales.
Edited by Pip Boy - 5/9/13 at 8:05am
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