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it doesn't surprise me workstation's are declining in sales really!

most WS platforms are really at the level most company's need them to be? for general use anyway!

as for those hobbyist/enthusiast buyers. the tech isn't @ competitive prices anymore compared to the desktop sector & desktops are quite capable of most things in small scale applications!

Maybe if intel or AMD put a bit more in production & lowered prices it would pick up again?

intels xeons are way overpriced imo & the fact they are somewhat behind a generation isn't really helping anybody want to buy!

it all boils down to the platforms themselves. production cost is expensive & most companys don't wanna take the risk on mass production!

that's why prices are so high! & the market is somewhat very limited nowadays!

if you look @ most vendors of WS products. they all seem to dragging there feet & don't really want put any investment in!
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Originally Posted by Huzzbutt View Post

Smartphones/tablets/sub 15inch Laptops have more processing power than old computers but...
You can't do more stuff with a Smartphones/tablets/sub 15inch Laptop than with an old computer, and if you tried to do it for an extended period of time you only got yourself to blame for that crooked neck and borked shoulders.

In the world of actual computer use (not benchmarking, Gaming, Hertz comparison) a 266mhz P2 with Windows 95, a 3gig HDD, Zipdrive and a 15 inch monitor should be your choice not a smartphone, not an ultrabook, not a tablet.

PC sales are not down because of Smartphones/tablets/sub 15inch Laptops, they're down because Excel doesn't use Physx, Word doesn't need AMD's Tesselation tech.
(blaming economic unrest just doesn't work, I'm not going to tell you why. But here's a tip: Car sales.)

PC sales are down because:

A) Since ~2007 PCs are not actually required to do stuff most people would do on a PC, and cost more than alternative platforms.

B) People who bought PCs in 2007 are most likely still using those PCs with little problem and would rather purchase something that isn't a PC to do their computing on in future.
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post #33 of 57
For those that say Tablets and Phones are not PCs...come on, stop with the resentment. On my phone I can play music and movies, record music and movies, email, create word docs, excel docs, power points, surf the web, play games, IM, skype, photo edit, and more. Sure sounds like a PC to me. It certainly is a PERSONAL COMPUTATION DEVICE if I ever saw one. Get over it.
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post #34 of 57
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Originally Posted by ejb222 View Post

For those that say Tablets and Phones are not PCs...come on, stop with the resentment. On my phone I can play music and movies, record music and movies, email, create word docs, excel docs, power points, surf the web, play games, IM, skype, photo edit, and more. Sure sounds like a PC to me. It certainly is a PERSONAL COMPUTATION DEVICE if I ever saw one. Get over it.

Definitely.

Tablets and smartphones are replacing the desktop/laptop computer for general use. The PC has evolved into a mobile platform essentially.
 
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Blame Microsoft... Some IT organizations buy pre-built computers w/ OS... and there is a reluctance to buy new PC's with Windows 7 (and 8), when a lot of corps run legacy software.
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post #36 of 57
Quote:
Originally Posted by ejb222 View Post

For those that say Tablets and Phones are not PCs...come on, stop with the resentment. On my phone I can play music and movies, record music and movies, email, create word docs, excel docs, power points, surf the web, play games, IM, skype, photo edit, and more. Sure sounds like a PC to me. It certainly is a PERSONAL COMPUTATION DEVICE if I ever saw one. Get over it.

I think it goes back to just the x86 stuff...you had PCs and Macs. Even after Apple went x86 you still had PCs and Macs. So I think people are still holding onto that terminology. Even though it is possible to emulate x86 on some mobile devices...some can even natively run x86...until they all have a fully fledged x86 CPU with all the instruction sets a traditional PC has I think there will be an unofficial distinction. Like even then there will be, but we need to separate them some what until their capabilities are exactly equal on all fronts (even then...people refuse to call Macs PCs today...why would that mentality change?)

In my opinion they are all computers. The platform and capability/usability changes, but they are all computers.
Edited by Vagrant Storm - 4/22/13 at 8:52am
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Blame Microsoft... Some IT organizations buy pre-built computers w/ OS... and there is a reluctance to buy new PC's with Windows 7 (and 8), when a lot of corps run legacy software.

Blame them for what? That people most people use their home PC to surf the net, place online orders, watch netflix, play facebook games, and maybe some do some taxes(which are probably done mostly online anyway)??? And now people can do all these things from a tablet or phone they they can bring anywhere and plug in anywhere, and connect anywhere???? First of all, the word blame implies something bad...I see the mobile market as a good thing. If you dont like it, then that is your choice. But the reality is that most everyday tasks that people use a PC for are now mobile. YES even businesses are the same way. Why give a sales man a PC at his home office? Give him a tablet that he can take anywhere and do all his work and even show Powerpoints to customers on? He could even Skype with someone while he is on a plane if he wants to. Of course businesses will be all over the Mobile PC platform. I bet you at least 80% of the Fortune 500 companies have already begun the change. Blame MS all you want...if businesses "blame MS" for the very thing that the desire, MS is going to be raking in the dough.
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post #38 of 57
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Tablets and smartphones are not PCs. Notebooks? Sure. Ultrabooks? Fine. Workstations? Of course. Netbooks? Alright. Tablets and smartphones? No. A smartphone is not a PC. It is no more a PC than a palm pilot ever was. Or an iPod. It is an accessory device.

"Oh, but you can browse the web from your device so that must make it a PC because that is all people do. Facebook and YouTube videos of cats," they say.

When you do your taxes, do you do them from your phone? No. It is an accessory device. We use our PCs for that. Or have somebody else use their PC to do it for us.

When you're working from home, are you doing it on your phone or tablet? No. It's an accessory device. A cell phone or tablet cannot fulfill the work requirements a majority of us have.

I can't stand the term "post-PC", and I can't understand the inclusion of mobile devices in the "Personal Computer" category. They are not. Plain and simple. Sure, we will one day see a time when they could be one and the same, but that day is not today.

Mmm, fantastic description. I'll consider quoting you on that.
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Most people don't really need a desktop PC anymore, If they do it serves as hub to everything else even then it's becoming less necessary. The desktop PC will likely not disappear, the workstation will likely not disappear but the won't exist in the form factor we're used to for to much longer.
 
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A decent PC is needed for data protection. I have a phone and ipod and a media server, but all my files are backed up on my main PC.

And a dedicated BOINC system also has a further copy to !

dunx

P.S. It also charges my ipod biggrin.gif
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