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No, pricing is determined by what people will pay. That's it.

People are paying so the pricing is the way it is. They don't need to sell lesser 560mm^2 dies at $1000 for their business to be feasible.

And people will pay because their competitor doesn't have a competing product. No one would buy a Titan for $1000 if AMD had a card as fast.

Of course they don't have to sell it for $1000 for it to be feasible, they just can which is why they do it.

If you want to play the blame the consumers game you could just as well say that we should blame consumers for buying $500 high end GPUs, I mean they don't have to sell them at $500.
 
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Titan fits their pricing.

680 is 45% faster than a 660 for more than double the price
Titan is 45% faster than a 680 for more than double the price

You guys keep mentioning that Titan is "consistently priced". It's true, it is, but you guys are forgetting that the entire lineup is overpriced.

If you start off releasing a ripoff (GK104 GTX 680) and price consistently, everything else in the lineup will be a rip off too.
Edited by i7monkey - 4/21/13 at 9:46pm
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The entire lineup is consistently overpriced, not just Titan.

What do you want them to do? Reduce prices until the 680 is $250 and AMD has to drop the 7970 to $230?

All that's happening here is the same thing that you see with intel and AMD with GPUs. Intel has been decreasing the die size of their $330 CPU for ages because AMD just doesn't offer enough competition. If AMD happens to get a big performance boost intel can just slap two more cores on their mainstream and use more die space. Just like if next gen AMD happens to close the gap Nvidia can just use their big chip instead of the mid range one.
 
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And people will pay because their competitor doesn't have a competing product. No one would buy a Titan for $1000 if AMD had a card as fast.

Of course they don't have to sell it for $1000 for it to be feasible, they just can which is why they do it.

If you want to play the blame the consumers game you could just as well say that we should blame consumers for buying $500 high end GPUs, I mean they don't have to sell them at $500.

Consumers are the reason high end GPUs are $500. They're also the reason Titan is $1000.

I'm not saying consumers are in the wrong, I was saying AMD are not the reason prices are as they are. Consumers are the reason, because Nvidia understands that people will pay that money. I'm not condemning you to an eternity of torment in hell for buying one, I'm saying that consumers and their spending behaviors are what ultimately determines the price of something.

If people stopped buying Titans, they wouldn't be $1000 for very long.
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post #65 of 337
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Yes, Titan's price is consistent with the rest of the lineup but you forget to mentioned that the rest of the lineup is ridiculously overpriced as well.

The 680 is not a flagship, and they're selling it to you at flagship prices. We all know GK100 was supposed to be the 680, not GK104, and since GK110 is faster than GK104 (as it damn well should be) Nvidia's saying look guys, our refresh of GK100 (which we never gave you) is faster than the mid-ranged junk we gave you instead!! Enjoy our $1000 price tag.


What? In the real world, you don't deem a product by its architecture. Performance is key. The GTX680 is the flagship of the 600 series, just like how the 580 is the flagship of the 500 series. Kepler is simply just such a damn good architecture that they can have GK104 as a top performing gaming card, and leave GK110 for compute, just like how it was specifically designed.

A 680 is faster than a 580, thus it can be priced at the same MSRP of the 580. The main problem right now is lack of competition, thus allowing nvidia to drag their feet and not make exponential jumps in performance.

Two words, Monopoly and anti-trust.


PS: Nvidia is a public company with share holders, of course they are going to try to profit as much as they can, Nvidia is doing well for their shareholders while still offering enthusiasts and gamers a good range of products to choose from. I'm more pissed that my 580s can get beaten by a friggin' GTX660 that costs MUCH less.
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And people will pay because their competitor doesn't have a competing product. No one would buy a Titan for $1000 if AMD had a card as fast.

Of course they don't have to sell it for $1000 for it to be feasible, they just can which is why they do it.

If you want to play the blame the consumers game you could just as well say that we should blame consumers for buying $500 high end GPUs, I mean they don't have to sell them at $500.

so blame amd for not having a better card eh? why don't we blame intel too for not making GPUs and not competing with nvidia? let's include via too, and ibm, etc.
tian is priced that way because people are willing to pay for it, that's it.
Edited by ghostrider85 - 4/21/13 at 9:59pm
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so blame amd for not having a better card eh? why don't we blame intel too for not making GPUs? let's include via too, and ibm, etc.
tian is priced that way because people are willing to pay for it, that's it. it's not like buying a top of the line card is a neccesity.

You also wouldn't blame say Corsair for not making a GPU. Intel isn't in the market for high end gaming GPUs, it's pointless to blame them for not making one when they're not trying.

And you could make the "willing to pay" argument for absolutely everything. The thing is though that people don't buy things in a vacuum, they compare the product to what a competing one offers. If there isn't a competing one the price will go high because the product is still an item people want but the company selling it doesn't have to deal with competition.

So if AMD had released a refresh to the 7000 series say in December last year and given it 15% more performance than their previous gen at $50 higher prices do you think people would still be buying the Titan at $1000?
 
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You also wouldn't blame say Corsair for not making a GPU. Intel isn't in the market for high end gaming GPUs, it's pointless to blame them for not making one when they're not trying.

And you could make the "willing to pay" argument for absolutely everything. The thing is though that people don't buy things in a vacuum, they compare the product to what a competing one offers. If there isn't a competing one the price will go high because the product is still an item people want but the company selling it doesn't have to deal with competition.

So if AMD had released a refresh to the 7000 series say in December last year and given it 15% more performance than their previous gen at $50 higher prices do you think people would still be buying the Titan at $1000?

IF amd for example releases a single gpu card on june 2013 that is slightly more powerful than the titan, do you think they will going price it less than the titan? or more?

i think your answer will be "more", so you can't really blame the lack of competition for the titan's absurd pricing, it's all about what the consumers are willing to pay.
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IF amd for example releases a single gpu card on june 2013 that is slightly more powerful than the titan, do you think they will going price it less than the titan? or more?

They will price it more than Titan on release, they have already done that before (7970 @$550), whether they can sell at that price long term is another question judging by how much 7970 price had to drop.
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IF amd for example releases a single gpu card on june 2013 that is slightly more powerful than the titan, do you think they will going price it less than the titan? or more?

i think your answer will be "more", so you can't really blame the lack of competition for the titan's absurd pricing, it's all about what the consumers are willing to pay.

The question is pointless because they do not have the potential to do this. Which is again a reason for the pricing from Nvidia's side, they knew what AMD was doing when pricing the Titan.

Big price/perf increases happen when companies switch to a smaller node. Not in the middle of the life cycle of manufacturing processes.
 
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