Originally Posted by yasamoka Hoo boy.
<--- Biggest issue right hereHow exactly are you calibrating your monitors, by eye? At 120Hz? Well, good luck. Because the gamma shift is not really a gamma shift equally at all points but rather one that requires multi-point gamma calibration, aka like the vast majority of gamma errors.
Huge efforts are made to color-match produced content on hugely expensive monitors like NECs, Eizos, HP, Dells, etc... so that the content displays the colors the creator of such content wants you to see and you blow it all by moving a slider that you think fixes something and messes up pretty much everything else. You'll be getting an inaccurate whitepoint, inaccurate gamma, inaccurate grayscale, inaccurate colors, banding, etc... the works. While you think that "looks good", it doesn't. You'll know what looks good when you take a look at a calibrated monitor.
The Qnix drifts, it drifts colors rapidly when it is overclocked;
one user here reported that he had to recalibrate once every month @60Hz, once every week or so @ 120Hz IIRC. I've been noticing my gamma being off since the first time I made a profile and set it to work, which used to give me almost perfect results (gamma ~2.19-2.21 IIRC) rather than the nasty 2.64 @ 96Hz and something like 2.93 @ 110Hz which is poo. You won't use the colorimeter once, you'll be using it regularly, and to complain about $90-130 (the Spyder4Express costs $80 now btw...) is not too logical...you have 3 Titans, 3 Qnixes going back and forth, and the seller is pretty much paying that sort of money for return shipping.
Customer satisfaction all the way, but Anal Customer Disorder is another thing entirely, especially when you're blowing all that effort by calibrating "by eye" and messing up the colors that you so much desired to get matched. These sellers are nice, but it's actions like these that lock down return policies and make them more suspicious of us.
I don't remember a seller asking a customer to show them the dead pixel they got with a perfect pixel policy, but now accessorieswhole did when I told them I have a blue stuck pixel left of center. It's their right to ask for proof but obviously they have lost that customer - seller trust that used to exist just a while ago.
Save yourself the hassle, listen to proper advice, and go for a colorimeter so that you get your gamma accurate, your whites accurate, and your colors fantastic. I mean, I have a single monitor and having accurate colors is very very important, especially at 110Hz where the high gamma induces some sort of black crush (as mboner up there used to say, which is true) which makes sense as now the lower end of the grayscale is closer together when gamma > standard gamma = 2.2 (and the opposite is true, upper end grays are mashed when gamma < 2.2 which happens when you raise the gamma slider).
You have 3 monitors. A colorimeter itself has trouble matching these monitors due to variance, let alone
being able to match them by eye.
For the second point, applying color profiles works when using MCW, Color Profile Keeper, or Color Clutch. No idea if some people simply don't have any way to enforce color profiles with Nvidia, but for other it works and that means there's a chance of PEBKAC and / or certain drivers messing up, a problem which I wouldn't bet on lasting forever if anything. I myself am in the process of making a color profile tool (no details now) using Color Clutch to preserve the color profiles in 3D application mode so if Color Clutch works for you (you need to test, if it works for you then there's no reason to worry about the color profiles not working in games. Obviously), there you go.
There's no "washed out", it's simply the case that some panels have yellow tints, others have blue tints. It's perfectly normal and would easily happen with other branded monitors. Heck, the Catleaps / Crossovers and the IPS variants have more variance than these PLS panels, you would have had a heart attack if you were going for the IPS variants.[/spoiler]
Seems like there's a big misunderstanding and you're explaining your side of the story all of a sudden.
1) It's not an issue w/ overclock, nor did I say I was, I stated I was @ the default 60hz, but apparently you're jumping over and reading key words.
2) It's a BIG issue w/ one color being offset, maybe more.
3) I have 2 monitors that are perfect as is out of box not needing calibration
4) This is the 2nd one just a diff color off
5) I'm aware this happens especially w/ these being panels that don't make it to real production
6) Yes Colors can be washed out, stating that's not possible is ending the conversation stating you're arguing to argue, some panels have it others don't IT HAPPENS.
7) Again I'm not buying a device for a 1 time use, if its defective for one then there's no reason to resell it why give someone else the same grief? Srsly?
7) Ask questions first before you start assuming a huge story and starting drama in the thread, the last person that did it trolled on for 3 pages getting everyone riled up over a misunderstanding because they read TOO fast, which you're demonstrating by ignoring my previous posts.
You can preach all you want and you're MOST welcome to keep w/e defective panel you get and make the best of it, but I on the other hand will at least make sure I get one I can work with. You've no idea what I'm doing or trying, but you just wrote all that out of anger because you "assumed" I guarantee if you had a monitor with awful tint or washed colors you wouldn't sit there and calibrate it to match your others and be like" I feel bad for the seller so I'll just forfeit the buying experience and keep it"
This thread doesn't need drama or flame posts, it's for people to post their success or failures and reattempts as they love this monitor...jesus
Calm down and ask next time, I didn't bother reading all of it after the first few paragraphs and especially after the name calling and flaming. Good day sir, hope you feel better.Edited by LunaP - 12/20/13 at 6:18pm