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Originally Posted by Spartan F8 View Post

CRU directly modifies the EDID(well mostly) thus bypassing windows. The settings in the NVCP don't stick unless it is a new not defined resolution/refresh, any overlaps generally go back to the default settings. Even then it is setup as a custom resolution and not a native one thus not getting detected by some games and apps. It is best to test with the NVCP to make real time changes(and not restarting constantly) to find the best timings then putting those into CRU to make the timings "stick".

My games can detect the custom resolutions no problem.
As you can see from the picture, the resolutions are already defined. It's when I try to go modify the existing resolutions after clicking yes to test is where it's not saving. confused.gif
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This may be unrelated but i run my GTX780ti at 1241mhz and run my Qnix at 144hz while gaming in first person shooters(120hz in everything else). So if the issue was with the Qnix shouldn't it be constant between cards? Or could this be an issue with the Qnix combined with AMD cards. I also ran the Qnix at at least 120hz with a GTX 460, 570(SLI), 760, 770(SLI), 780ti. I did notice a higher potential refresh overclock with single card solutions and noticed there was a slight trade off in overclock between the monitor and VRAM(meaning with certain VRAM overclocks would limit monitor overclocks but nothing related to the GPU clocks).

well my 7950's ran overclocked @ 110hz @ the same max settings they did for @ 60hz just fine so I really don't know the answer man. Maybe it is just the combo of some 290/x's + qnix since some people on 290's claim to have no issues.
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post #11803 of 25965
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Originally Posted by BGKris View Post

My games can detect the custom resolutions no problem.
As you can see from the picture, the resolutions are already defined. It's when I try to go modify the existing resolutions after clicking yes to test is where it's not saving. confused.gif

I have seen this happen to me as well. Take a screen shot of your settings that work then delete the current custom profile for that resolution. Next keep modifying the timings until you either crash or start getting artifacts. Then save that resolution, you might even want to take screenshots as you go. Something about having a custom resolution profile already set gets the "test" feature stuck. This is actually kinda what i was stating in my post.

I have seen this when downsampling. I can tell when the "test" mode gets stuck when i can start applying outlandish settings. Like it got stuck on me when downsampling 4K and i was able to set my Qnix to 3840x2160@200hz but when testing on the UFO test it showed me still at 65hz which was my previous saved profile set. Taking a screenshot, deleting, and then using the test feature seemed to fix the inaccurate "test" button. So basically you can't "save this resolution" until your done or you break "test" for that profile.

Hope this makes since as it is a bit hard to explain thumb.gif
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Is it possible to remove the base stem on these monitors if you debezel them (but put the bezel back on)?
post #11805 of 25965
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Originally Posted by kennyparker1337 View Post

Is it possible to remove the base stem on these monitors if you debezel them (but put the bezel back on)?
Yes, check the OP for instructions.
post #11806 of 25965
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Originally Posted by Spartan F8 View Post

I have seen this happen to me as well. Take a screen shot of your settings that work then delete the current custom profile for that resolution. Next keep modifying the timings until you either crash or start getting artifacts. Then save that resolution, you might even want to take screenshots as you go. Something about having a custom resolution profile already set gets the "test" feature stuck. This is actually kinda what i was stating in my post.

I have seen this when downsampling. I can tell when the "test" mode gets stuck when i can start applying outlandish settings. Like it got stuck on me when downsampling 4K and i was able to set my Qnix to 3840x2160@200hz but when testing on the UFO test it showed me still at 65hz which was my previous saved profile set. Taking a screenshot, deleting, and then using the test feature seemed to fix the inaccurate "test" button. So basically you can't "save this resolution" until your done or you break "test" for that profile.

Hope this makes since as it is a bit hard to explain thumb.gif
Gotcha. I guess I was confused. I figured it out. Thanks!
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The GTX780ti is the fastest GPU period right now but the problem isn't speed it is VRAM. With one 1440p monitor it is recommended to have 2GB+ of VRAM, having three you will need 6GB+ to support the pixel space and not get bottlenecked. Now that doesn't mean it won't work and work well in some situations, it just means certain games with huge texture sizes will get bottlenecked. One good example is Skyrim, i have a GTX780ti and when playing skyrim on my Qnix i have seen the VRAM get to about 2.4GB. Now that is with one screen so if you triple that you are going to be getting cut short with on;ly having 3GB total usable VRAM.

Now for testing purposes i have setup my crossover, Qnix and Dell(1440p) in surround to benchmark(and borrowed a second and third GTX780ti). Needless to say using one card got destroyed in many modern games, however older games like shadowrun, Dead space 1, tomb raider anv. all were within playable FPS(around and just over 30-45) with some mainly texture or VRAM intensive settings off(AA, object detail, texture detail).

With two cards many games like BF4, Skyrim, and crysis did get a good deal better in FPS but there was a catch. At all points in the game there was always parts were i would get a BIG drop in FPS, like turning a corner and getting view of a very large area with a lot of textures visible. I know this happens to a certain extent anyway but this was different and the change was excessive. Like in Skyrim when in a cave i could get as high as 80FPS but when leaving the cave and going into open space(or "skyrim") i would drop to 20-30FPS. Battlefields results and crysis(3) were very similar. Older games ran perfectly fine on two cards, i think the somewhat raided setup of the VRAM gave it just enough to handle older textures fast enough.

With three cards the FPS increased in older games again but it was a lot less predominant. Only gaining about 25-30% in overall frames. There was also several spots that the frame were less than with 2 cards. Newer games were even worse. The increase was apparent in certain parts of the games that were very confined(skyrim cave) but any open view areas were just about the same as having two cards. Areas that i dropped to 25FPS with two cards dropped to 28-30FPS with 3.

Now one thing that made a big difference in these bottleneck points was dropping any setting that was heavily reliant on VRAM. Like in Skyrim turning texture size all the way down and turning view distance all the way down made a huge difference being outdoors. Battlefield didn't get much better in most areas but there was a difference(i think BF4 is just buggy anyway). The most convincing evidence that this is a VRAM bottleneck is that these settings changes only effected the lowest FPS and not so much the average.

So bottom line triple monitoring these with two GTX780ti's would be potentially viable if your expecting to turn a few settings down(related to VRAM use) and get no better than 60FPS(which would make overclocking a little mute). Really in this situation it may be more viable for a Titan or if a 6GB variant of the GTX780ti(higher than 6GB would be best but options are limited). VRAM overclocks also seemed to help more than what i would usually expect(10FPS from a mere 100mhz). Lastly if you do run portrait surround with 1440p monitors i highly recommend debezeling due to the thick bezel size.
This may be unrelated but i run my GTX780ti at 1241mhz and run my Qnix at 144hz while gaming in first person shooters(120hz in everything else). So if the issue was with the Qnix shouldn't it be constant between cards? Or could this be an issue with the Qnix combined with AMD cards. I also ran the Qnix at at least 120hz with a GTX 460, 570(SLI), 760, 770(SLI), 780ti. I did notice a higher potential refresh overclock with single card solutions and noticed there was a slight trade off in overclock between the monitor and VRAM(meaning with certain VRAM overclocks would limit monitor overclocks but nothing related to the GPU clocks).

Wow, great information. I have a 780ti as well, and was quite disappointed in its performance with three screens. It's funny though, they keep advertising these cards "4K GAMING" and yet, the people who are going to buy these $800 cards, will be gaming with three monitors, and we can't do even 1440P (2.5K) on them. lol So stupid.

So when can I grab a single GPU, attach it to 3x 30" 4K at 120hz or higher monitors with 60+FPS.....looks like it's going to be awhile frown.gif
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@Spartan F8 I had to reinstall my nvidia drivers. Once that was done,now I'm able to adjust my timings. 120hz at 459. Thanks again. thumb.gif
post #11809 of 25965
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Originally Posted by bmancreations View Post

Wow, great information. I have a 780ti as well, and was quite disappointed in its performance with three screens. It's funny though, they keep advertising these cards "4K GAMING" and yet, the people who are going to buy these $800 cards, will be gaming with three monitors, and we can't do even 1440P (2.5K) on them. lol So stupid.

So when can I grab a single GPU, attach it to 3x 30" 4K at 120hz or higher monitors with 60+FPS.....looks like it's going to be awhile frown.gif

Well on one end your right these cards do not play certain games at ultra high resolutions within acceptable framerates, really any game like BF4, Crysis3, skyrim will not play at 4K. There is just too much detail and texture size to be held in a 3GB GPU. BUT there is several games they will, games like state of decay, dead space3, and really any major mainstream game plays just fine due to the MUCH less overhead engine and graphics detail. Heck i was playing dead space 1 at 240FPS with a framerate cap(rather than vsync).

Games are advancing as fast(and sometimes faster) than graphics hardware. MOST games will play at ultra HD with a GTX780ti(especially SLI which they do recommend for 4K gaming) but there will always be games that push the edge of graphics technology and may never play at 4K without thousands of dollars of hardware(cysis) but it is good to think about the tons of games that have be out that are still played by many. My console emulators love my 780ti even at 4K downsampled.

Bottom line is uber graphics games will always be right at the limits of hardware or just out of reach. In the future the 800 and 900 series will come out, possibly be 2 to 3 times as powerful. Then a new skyrim, BF, or crysis will come out to bring them to their knees. The only way nvidia could be more honest about 4K capability is put a who bunch of "fine" print below it listing possible games, settings, and any other requirement/situation in which it will work. They just figured that the 780ti supported enough games and situations that they could get away with the marketing badge.

EDIT: Just for kicks and grins i also was able to play Shadowrun at about 460FP average so yes 4K support for most game older than 2010 or with simplified graphics engines.
Edited by Spartan F8 - 12/28/13 at 1:19pm
post #11810 of 25965
I order a qnix last week from accessorieswhole ebay.uk and the tracking update stopped on 23rd December not had any updates since. I know fed ex will be busy but should I contact the seller or FedEx?
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