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Originally Posted by kevinsbane View Post

Interesting.

No gamma shift even while overclocked - that indicates that the gamma shift/uniformity issues/tinting/image retention issues when overclocked are a function of the panel itself, and not the electronics (scalar/PCB). So cable quality will do nothing to improve those issues. Seems like the IPS panels in the older Catleaps/Overlord monitors can handle high pixel clocks better than the PLS panels.

Yeah who knows, I've been using the same high quality, thick DVI cable for all my tests. The gamma shift on some Qnix going to 120hz is huge. I couldn't really see any at all going to 120hz on my True10.
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Are you still running it at 96hz even with frame skipping?
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Well, define "perfectly fine @ 96hz" -- Everything looks gorgeous at 96hz but it's skipping frames. Exact same at 120hz. Gorgeous still/moving images but frame skipping.

I see
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I would say, if you want a panel for desktop use and 60hz gaming, this is a fantastic monitor. If you want the best overclocking gaming monitor, this isn't it.

To be honest, I really don't care about anything past 60hz. I just want a better display than the one I'm using as since I retired from 10 years of World of Warcraft I'm now playing games that aren't bright all the time and my current display has serious issues with that, and I figured I'd at least give 96hz a try, but it's not important to me.

This display sounds almost perfect for what I want, I like that it doesn't need calibrating.
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On input lag, I can already tell, even without measuring, the input lag is greater than my Qnix glossy. It feels like my old 60hz Yamakasi Catleap on vsync. It's not horrible but for me, who's been testing SO much the past 6 months, I can feel it a bit.

I see.

Do the single input displays that people have raved about in this thread have the lowest amount of input lag out of literally all other displays ?

I've never used anything more advanced than a TN LCD for my PC, so the extra input lag is new to me. I'm a person who's usually bothered by issues, so I'm paranoid about the input lag.

Also, thanks for the responses.
 
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Are you still running it at 96hz even with frame skipping?

I just unplugged it and plugged in my Overlord Tempest. It's gorgeous! More to come.

I already decided not to keep the True10. It's sitting in the corner. Like I said, it's a FANTASTIC image but I want 120hz with no frame skipping. So as of right now, it's between the Qnix Glossy and Overlord Tempest. biggrin.gif
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I see
To be honest, I really don't care about anything past 60hz. I just want a better display than the one I'm using as since I retired from 10 years of World of Warcraft I'm now playing games that aren't bright all the time and my current display has serious issues with that, and I figured I'd at least give 96hz a try, but it's not important to me.

This display sounds almost perfect for what I want, I like that it doesn't need calibrating.
I see.

Do the single input displays that people have raved about in this thread have the lowest amount of input lag out of literally all other displays ?

I've never used anything more advanced than a TN LCD for my PC, so the extra input lag is new to me. I'm a person who's usually bothered by issues, so I'm paranoid about the input lag.

Also, thanks for the responses.

You are welcome mate!

The True10 should be just fine for you. The input lag isn't horrid but it is higher than the Qnix at 96/110/120hz. I can tell that for sure.

If you want just pure image quality with lots of inputs, you will be happy. I will try to measure the input lag head to head later this weekend. thumb.gif
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Haha so many options...

Do I get it on ebay? Or an independent seller (ipsledmonitors.com)

Do I get the ultimate no dead pixels or normal?

Do I get extra warranty?

Should I go for glossy or matte (I get no direct sunlight on my monitors... mostly, but there is sunlight in the room.)

Should I go for the QNix or wait to see if an overlord tempest ones every come into stock and get that.

Should I go with something completely different?

Should I bother with 120hz overclockability? Seems to have a lot of cons....
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Originally Posted by kevinsbane View Post

Interesting.

No gamma shift even while overclocked - that indicates that the gamma shift/uniformity issues/tinting/image retention issues when overclocked are a function of the panel itself, and not the electronics (scalar/PCB). So cable quality will do nothing to improve those issues. Seems like the IPS panels in the older Catleaps/Overlord monitors can handle high pixel clocks better than the PLS panels.
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Originally Posted by kevinsbane View Post

Are you still running it at 96hz even with frame skipping?

NO you are not. And yes the cable does effect it. The electronics have issue with gamma shift when running at an actual overclocked resolution. When frame skipping you are NOT running at that overclocked frame rate, you simply dropping enough frames to lower the refresh to the same data rate as a default 60hz setting. With doing this there will be no gamma shift since you are not pushing any additional data over the cable. Bottom line the same pixel clock is being translated onto the screen. If it seems smoother to you it is either a matter of perspective or you eyes like a microstutter offset rather than the regular response time.

So to clear up some mis-information 120hz frameskipping still equals 60hz or FPS just with an offset skip. The color wont be off much or at all since the resulting processed frames is still 60hz(or slightly higher as some panels that frameskip can achieve like 61/62hz overclocked and be stable). Also going through a scaler adds enough to the the lag response to make an overclock mostly worthless.

EDIT: CORRECTION: you are pushing the data over the cable but the screen is only displaying a 60hz level data rate(60hz but offset) thus only presenting the same amount of data or pixel clock onto the screen and dropping anything extra. This makes it possible to have slightly off colors due to strain on the cable and not the PCB/screen.

This makes the true10 the same as any other non overclockable korean screen aside from being PLS.
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Haha so many options...

Do I get it on ebay? Or an independent seller (ipsledmonitors.com)

Do I get the ultimate no dead pixels or normal?

Do I get extra warranty?

Should I go for glossy or matte (I get no direct sunlight on my monitors... mostly, but there is sunlight in the room.)

Should I go for the QNix or wait to see if an overlord tempest ones every come into stock and get that.

Should I go with something completely different?

Should I bother with 120hz overclockability? Seems to have a lot of cons....

1. They are pretty much the same but if you buy from an independant seller you may be able to communicate with a English speaking person. mainly check reviews, ratings, and warranty/return policies.
2. if you want some false security at the expense go for it.
3. YES the squaretrade guys are very easy to work with. A 300+ plus purchase is worth 10% for a warranty.
4. Glossy looks better but reflects. Matte is light and not too bad per many user reviews for the Qnix.
5. Overord monitors can be bought from emaxeon.com for much less (if they will ship to you). I would justget the Qnix but thats me.
6. No answer but you own
7. With a little reading and effort overclocking is more than worth it. And look at the site you are on! Of course you need to overclock.
Edited by Spartan F8 - 3/14/14 at 9:00am
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NO you are not. And yes the cable does effect it. The electronics have issue with gamma shift when running at an actual overclocked resolution. When frame skipping you are NOT running at that overclocked frame rate, you simply dropping enough frames to lower the refresh to the same data rate as a default 60hz setting. With doing this there will be no gamma shift since you are not pushing any additional data over the cable.
But you are, if you set up the monitor the same way as a single-input monitor. The monitor itself can't dictate to the video card what the video card sends to it. So if you send it a 120hz signal, it'll take that 120hz signal, how can it not? The frame skipping occurs within the internal electronics of the monitor.

Yes, the cable itself can affect your overclock itself, but my observations are concerning the specific symptoms of how and when the gamma shift/uniformity/tinting issues occur, I don't see how it would be affected by a cable. What I'm proposing is this:

Given a monitor that has severe gamma shift at 120hz, and a monitor which does not under the same circumstances. The overclocks are stable, and the only difference is the gamma shift. If in this case, you decide to swap the cables, you will not get a difference in gamma shift - the cable does not affect gamma shift.
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But you are, if you set up the monitor the same way as a single-input monitor. The monitor itself can't dictate to the video card what the video card sends to it. So if you send it a 120hz signal, it'll take that 120hz signal, how can it not? The frame skipping occurs within the internal electronics of the monitor.

Yes, the cable itself can affect your overclock itself, but my observations are concerning the specific symptoms of how and when the gamma shift/uniformity/tinting issues occur, I don't see how it would be affected by a cable. What I'm proposing is this:

Given a monitor that has severe gamma shift at 120hz, and a monitor which does not under the same circumstances. The overclocks are stable, and the only difference is the gamma shift. If in this case, you decide to swap the cables, you will not get a difference in gamma shift - the cable does not affect gamma shift.

try looking up the overclord PCB monitor tests between overclocked - frameskipping and overclocked - no frameskipping | with the same panel. I don't know that this has been recorded with a Qnix true10 but it is possible with the 10bit panel the gamma shift will be less, but the point is that it is not being displayed at that speed thus not suffering as much gamma shift and screen uniformity issues. PLS overclocked has gamma issues, IPS does not. Until we have a valid test with no frameskipping the data in inconclusive.

Honestly i hope that it handles gamma shift better as well but with frameskipping we don't know anything new.

EDIT; Your GPU dictate question is due to the scaler being locked. No more data can pass through it thus frameskipping
Edited by Spartan F8 - 3/14/14 at 9:17am
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Originally Posted by digitalforce View Post

I just unplugged it and plugged in my Overlord Tempest. It's gorgeous! More to come.

I already decided not to keep the True10. It's sitting in the corner. Like I said, it's a FANTASTIC image but I want 120hz with no frame skipping. So as of right now, it's between the Qnix Glossy and Overlord Tempest. biggrin.gif

Hi Digitalforce,

Can you let me know where you got the Overlord and Glossy from?

Still weighing up my options...and it all hangs on your reviews.....No Pressure :-)
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