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But they are making Lightning 7970 Ghz/Boost Editions. Retailers arround here will have them in stock in about 5-10 days.

Wait really??? Damn I wish I would have waited... i went ahead with this TF3 because I thought MSI wouldn't be making any more Lightning cards until the 8000 series which isn't exactly in the near future...

I mean I guess it's still a ref PCB and I can fit a waterblock on it but I know they made waterblocks for the Lightning too, and I'm pretty sure the same waterblocks will fit on these new lightnings... -.-
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But they are making Lightning 7970 Ghz/Boost Editions. Retailers arround here will have them in stock in about 5-10 days.
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Wait really??? Damn I wish I would have waited... i went ahead with this TF3 because I thought MSI wouldn't be making any more Lightning cards until the 8000 series which isn't exactly in the near future...

Unfortunately, that may not be the case. Chest3r, if you have proof, I would appreciate it if you could link it to us - that it really is the Lightning.

I assume you are referring to these:

http://www.msi.com/product/vga/R7970-Lightning-BE.html

I don't know what things are like in the EU, but officially the Lightning BE has been out for quite some time. No retailer has any info about them here in North America. Only the non-Lightning BE. The 7970 Lightning, Lightning BE, and PE versions have been sold out and discontinued for quite some time now.


These TF3 7970 BE's are inferior to the PE and Lightnings.

Edit:
Looks like the Lightning BE didn't come to North America.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1362862/msi-r7970-lightning-be/0_100

Also see:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1369444/has-msi-stopped-production-of-the-7970-lightning/0_100

MSI, IIRC has also claimed that the Lightnings have been discontinued.
Edited by CrazyElf - 5/10/13 at 2:40am
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Looks like the Lightning BE didn't come to North America.
That might be It, retailers here in Austria and Germany are still selling the BE's.

http://geizhals.at/eu/msi-r7970-lightning-boost-edition-v278-018r-a860370.html
Edited by Chest3r - 5/10/13 at 6:12am
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Cant stand the coil whine on this card anymore. On top of the sub par overclocks and cooling....im about done with this card. Gonna return and wait for gtx 770/780.

My previous card, a 5770 was also an MSI....and that thing was a tank. I absolutely adored what msi did with that card.....but that was also 4 years ago.
Edited by illitirit - 5/10/13 at 9:45am
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Originally Posted by Chest3r View Post

That might be It, retailers here in Austria and Germany are still selling the BE's.

http://geizhals.at/eu/msi-r7970-lightning-boost-edition-v278-018r-a860370.html

Looks like it. Thanks for the link. +Rep.

Quite expensive too for a 7970 - €450 is the cheapest and that's before other taxes. That's a lot to ask for considering the 7970 was released about 17 months ago. Still, for a good 7970, personally (at least once I find out how good the 780 and 770 are) I'd be willing to consider paying up. I've sent an email to MSI about the Lightning elsewhere in the world.
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Cant stand the coil whine on this card anymore. On top of the sub par overclocks and cooling....im about done with this card. Gonna return and wait for gtx 770/780.

My previous card, a 5770 was also an MSI....and that thing was a tank. I absolutely adored what msi did with that card.....but that was also 4 years ago.

Yeah it looks like this model is a flop. Or at least a bad batch. I've got an MSI too and I love it. The Lightnings too are awesome, which is why we are all taking about them.
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I dont know if any of you know this... but i was taking the card out today to get it ready for return and i noticed that the card has a 1/2 bios switch. I wonder what its supposed to do?
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I dont know if any of you know this... but i was taking the card out today to get it ready for return and i noticed that the card has a 1/2 bios switch. I wonder what its supposed to do?

Every 7970 ever made has a dual bios switch. Most of the time, both BIOSes are exactly the same, except for rare cases like the Lightning which has a BIOS designed for air cooling and a bios designed for extreme cooling like LN2. That particular "extreme" bios unlocks all 17 power-phases to make them all fully available at all times. I'm not exactly sure what that means, that's just what MSI tells us.

For most other cards, the dual bios just gives you the freedom to experiment with new/different BIOSes that didn't originally come with your card. The 1st BIOS is usually write-protected so that it should be impossible to flash without some kind of hardware-level mod. The 2nd BIOS is unlocked and flashable, and if you happen to flash your BIOS incorrectly or use a BIOS that causes your card to stop outputting a video signal, you can simply flip the switch back to the locked BIOS and your card will still be perfectly functional. You'll be stuck with only 1 BIOS and you wont have the ability to try any other new ones, and your warranty will also be voided, but at least your card will still work. It gives the peace of mind that you can try somewhat-risky soft modding with your card and not worry about making it a $400 paperweight.

There are several ways to recover your 2nd BIOS from a bad flash, but it's usually pretty complicated. But if you need to RMA the card you better find a way to get the original BIOS back, or else you're in a bad situation. I actually did this with my TF3 - I tried literally every other MSI 7970 BIOS on my card and none of them worked. The Lightning BIOS actually caused the card to lose all video output, and I had to install that HIS 7970 in my PC and run both GPUs without a crossfire bridge and flash the MSI card from the HIS card to recover the original BIOS.

It's really most useful to people who have the original 925Mhz 7970 and want to put the Ghz Edition BIOS on the 2nd BIOS. If your card is already a GHz Edition, I don't really know what you could gain by flashing a different BIOS, at least not until somebody releases a custom BIOS editor for the 7900 series.

So wait, how people in this thread have actually kept their TF3s? I just sent mine back to Newegg today because of the unbearable coil noises. You just sent yours in. Tranquil put his up on ebay, and I feel like a couple of others ITT didn't keep theirs either. Doesn't speak well for MSI lol
Edited by iamhollywood5 - 5/10/13 at 11:12pm
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Every 7970 ever made has a dual bios switch.


That's patently false. There are some without switches.
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That's patently false. There are some without switches.

Ahh okay. I haven't seen or heard of one, but you would know and I'll take your word on it wink.gif
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Revised XFX cards lost their bios switches last year.
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