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I'm a little confused, see this graph:

So when I hear that a GTX770 will be equiv to a GTX680 and a GTX760 Ti will be equiv to a GTX670, I feel a bit...disheartened. The 780 will cost nothing less than $550-600 on release if it is truly a "Titan LE", and all for what performance gain? Negligible!

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1) As stated earlier, according to this: ((http://videocardz.com/41002/nvidia-geforce-gtx-titan-le-gtx-780-geforce-700-series-detailed)) the gap between gtx 780 and gtx 770 is too big. Since when did Nvidia start to make x80 more than 30% powerful?!
So what? That's just a naming scheme. Are you buying a nvidia card so you can get the x70 or x80 name? Or are you buying a card for its performance? If they release a "GTX 700" that beats the Titan, are you going to complain oh they can't do that because thats X00 and the naming isn't right? [/quote]

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2) With Nvidia having a bunch of K20(GK110) parts doing nothing, why bother with already maxed out GK 104?
How many parts do they have? No really, who's to say they're not already tapped out? What do you think are running the Titans? What about the 780's? Those are defective GK110's and even more defective GK110 chips. They're already doing that.
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3) 770 must be at least ~15% faster compared to gtx 680(otherwise, who wants to buy another gtx 680?) which is impossible to reach with gk104.
Plenty of people if they price it at $400 dollars. Besides, who says the GK104 can't do 15% faster? I can easily crank my card GTX690 cores up to 1225mhz and I'm sure you can push it further with a bump in voltage. The GK104 can easily make up that 15% with better yields or more aggressive clocking.
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I would rather see the GTX 7XX series be based on Maxwell even if it meant they came next year and the 'Titan' brand Titan Ultra: / Titan: / Titan LE could reign as Nvidia's high end until then. AMD could do the same, stick with the 7XXX brand until being able to release the 8XXX series on a die shrink even if it meant a 2014 release. It would mean the next gen would be more of an upgrade. Maxwell would be a worthy upgrade to Titan.
Edited by Pheonix777z - 4/24/13 at 7:39am
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I would rather see the GTX 7XX series be based on Maxwell even if it meant they came next year and the 'Titan' brand Titan Ultra: / Titan: / Titan LE could reign as Nvidia's high end until then. AMD could do the same, stick with the 7XXX brand until being able to release the 8XXX series on a die shrink even if it meant a 2014 release. It would mean the next gen would be more of an upgrade. Maxwell would be a worthy upgrade to Titan.

So whats your issue with the 700 series coming out next month with a marginal bump and the 800 series coming as maxwell out in 1 year in 2014 just as they announced? Maxwell is coming out in 2014. If you're not upgrading until then, what difference does it make to you that they make a relatively smaller refresh and call it 700?
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So whats your issue with the 700 series coming out next month with a marginal bump and the 800 series coming as maxwell out in 1 year in 2014 just as they announced? Maxwell is coming out in 2014. If you're not upgrading until then, what difference does it make to you that they make a relatively smaller refresh and call it 700?

It's not an issue, it's like this if Nvdia are going to release a 7XX card that will not be faster than the current Nvidia Titan, it will be a disappointing generation. The Titan is circa 10% - 15% faster than the GTX 7970 Ghz. That would could mean if a GTX 780 launches soon it may have to squeeze itself into that space of performance, meaning only 5% - 10% faster than HD 7970 Ghz remaining under the Titan. Overall a very boring generation of cards. However If Nvidia stuck with the 'Titan' line we could have Titan Ultra (Halo part) the regular Titan and the Titan LE in different price brackets. These parts could see us through 2013 until a proper new gen in 2014 on 20nm.

'Maxwell' could provide a BIG jump in performance being based on a die shrink and if released next year would allow Titan owners a period of time for there cards to be on top. AMD could leave their current stack in place and have the HD 7990 as their Halo part. This would allow AMD to release the 8XXX cards also next year on a die shrink.

If 7XX series is only gonna be 5% - 10% faster I would rather skip them altogether.
Edited by Pheonix777z - 4/24/13 at 8:00am
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It's not an issue, it's like this if Nvdia aren't going to release a 7XX card that will not be faster than the current Nvidia Titan, it will be a disappointing generation. The Titan is circa 10% - 15% faster than the GTX 7970 Ghz. That would could mean if a GTX 780 launches soon it may have to squeeze itself into that space of performance, meaning only 5% - 10% faster than HD 7970 Ghz remaining under the Titan. Overall a very boring generation of cards. If Nvidia stuck with the 'Titan' line we could have Titan Ultra (Halo part) the regular Titan and the Titan LE in different price brackets.

Maxwell However could provide a BIG jump in performance being based on a die shrink and if released next year would allow Titan owners a period of time for there cards to be on top. AMD could leave their current stack in place and have the HD 7990 as their Halo part. This would allow AMD to release the 8XXX cards also next year on a die shrink.

If 7XX series is only gonna be 5% - 10% faster I would rather skip them altogether.

Dear lord how many times does this myth come up?



Titan is 30-40% faster at 1600p than a 7970GHz. Most reviewers put it in the 32-35% range. The difference is bigger at ridiculous AA levels or ultra high resolutions. Find me a review where the average is 10% and I will eat a shoe.

700 series with a cut down Titan as the 780 would be perfect right now for NV, might not be needed but they would grab some market share since most AMD high end cards would become irrelevant without price drops. The TItan is ~45% faster than a 680, there's plenty of space there. No need to produce a generation that's more powerful than a Titan when AMD has nothing to compete.
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Dear lord how many times does this myth come up?

Titan is 30-40% faster at 1600p than a 7970GHz. Most reviewers put it in the 32-35% range. The difference is bigger at ridiculous AA levels or ultra high resolutions. Find me a review where the average is 10% and I will eat a shoe.

700 series with a cut down Titan as the 780 would be perfect right now for NV, might not be needed but they would grab some market share since most AMD high end cards would become irrelevant without price drops. The TItan is ~45% faster than a 680, there's plenty of space there. No need to produce a generation that's more powerful than a Titan when AMD has nothing to compete.

Oh really? You may be right mate, I remember reading initial reviews saying that overall Titan was between 10% - 15% faster but if you're correct that paints a better picture. That way a GTX 780 could fit in a 20% - 25% better performance space.

Changing the subject for a sec, Maxwell is rumored to be a big deal. So part of me thinks it's worth holding off upgrading until more info comes out, Maxwell should also tie in nicely with the future next gen games releasing.. Although I could be tempted by a GTX 780 with 2500+ cores and 5GB. Part of the PC game though, buy something and it's quickly outpaced tongue.gif.
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So what? That's just a naming scheme. Are you buying a nvidia card so you can get the x70 or x80 name? Or are you buying a card for its performance? If they release a "GTX 700" that beats the Titan, are you going to complain oh they can't do that because thats X00 and the naming isn't right?
How many parts do they have? No really, who's to say they're not already tapped out? What do you think are running the Titans? What about the 780's? Those are defective GK110's and even more defective GK110 chips. They're already doing that.
Plenty of people if they price it at $400 dollars. Besides, who says the GK104 can't do 15% faster? I can easily crank my card GTX690 cores up to 1225mhz and I'm sure you can push it further with a bump in voltage. The GK104 can easily make up that 15% with better yields or more aggressive clocking.[/quote]


Looks like you did not fully understand some parts of my post:

1) I am not talking about naming at all; just following with the most recent graphics releases: 400, 500,600 series. If this occurs which unlikely IMO than all attention will seat on gtx 780 and the rest are to be forgotten... Would be pointless considering gk 110 chips are all over Nvidia`s shelf.

2) I am referring here to a GTX 770, why not launch it with gk 110 part(gk 104 makes no sense)

3) From a consumer perspective: YES. From a business perspective: NO

Release a GTX 770 with even higher GTX 680 clocks(reaching max limits) and even then not every gtx 680 cranks up 15%...

3a) Too hot, no more room for overclocking, high temps, shorter life span; lots of noise and more... Reviews will tell this to a customer, no one will buy. Why? GTx 680/670 owners can (maybe) crack it up on their own or unwilling to do it cause of the temp and the rest of customers skip cause of the same reasons. Where is a profit of this?
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I don't know whether to get a 780 or wait until Maxwell. If I go with the 780 I can sell my 680 now for £350 making the cost of a 780 about £100-£150. If I wait for Maxwell my 680 will be worth less, goddamn upgrades rolleyes.gif
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If I wait for Maxwell my 680 will be worth less, goddamn upgrades rolleyes.gif

 

Think of it this way: If you upgrade every generation, that is a lot of money too. Even if you recoup the money from selling the 680 now, you'd still be spending a good 2-3 hundred dollars on a 780, and another 2-3 hundred when you upgrade to Maxwell.

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Think of it this way: If you upgrade every generation, that is a lot of money too. Even if you recoup the money from selling the 680 now, you'd still be spending a good 2-3 hundred dollars on a 780, and another 2-3 hundred when you upgrade to Maxwell.
I just have to control myself haha. I said I was going to wait until Maxwell so I will, but I will have a 6 at the start of my card and other people will have a 7 frown.giftongue.gif
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