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Thanks for the replies everyone, quick question:

Can you run a PCI Express 3.0 card in a PCI Express 2.0 x16 slot?
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post #12 of 32
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Originally Posted by jackblack644 View Post

Thanks for the replies everyone, quick question:

Can you run a PCI Express 3.0 card in a PCI Express 2.0 x16 slot?
Yes, there's no disadvantage in doing so either smile.gif
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post #13 of 32
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Ohh okay.. So if I was to upgrade to a Z77 motherboard with PCI Express 3.0 support, the graphics card wouldn't see an improvement?
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post #14 of 32
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Ohh okay.. So if I was to upgrade to a Z77 motherboard with PCI Express 3.0 support, the graphics card wouldn't see an improvement?
Maybe 1% if that. Nothing noticeable.
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post #15 of 32
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I don't understand that, why was PCI Express 3.0 developed if there is hardly a performance increase from 2.0?
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post #16 of 32
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I don't understand that, why was PCI Express 3.0 developed if there is hardly a performance increase from 2.0?
I don't know. It doesn't make a difference with graphics cards but maybe it does with things like RAID cards? I'm not really sure. No graphics cards, except maybe 1 or 2, even saturate PCIe 2.0 yet.
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I don't understand that, why was PCI Express 3.0 developed if there is hardly a performance increase from 2.0?

to suck money out of noobs that don't have a clue biggrin.gif
post #18 of 32
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What are people's opinions of the Gigabyte GT 640 as a budget graphics card?
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post #19 of 32
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What are people's opinions of the Gigabyte GT 640 as a budget graphics card?

For gaming thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif ...For non-gaming thumb.gif ...thinking.gif well unless you're running a resolution @ 800 x 600 whistle.gif ... upsidedwnsmiley.gif
Edited by drBlahMan - 5/12/13 at 7:58am
post #20 of 32
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I don't know. It doesn't make a difference with graphics cards but maybe it does with things like RAID cards? I'm not really sure. No graphics cards, except maybe 1 or 2, even saturate PCIe 2.0 yet.
That would depend. PCIe 3.0 has less overhead, also provides many new improvements, documented here.

Also, with tri/quad SLI at big resolutions you could actually saturate some motherboards, provided they don't have 32 or more lanes (x79, etc). The performance increase is then notable.
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