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Review (Overview) of the Logitech G400s / G500s / G700s

Introduction

The news of Logitech releasing their new G-series refreshes has been buzzing on the OC forums for quite some time. Some have found their decisions questionably, whilst others look forward to splurging their money on refreshes of their favorite mice. It's a very interesting strategy from Logitech taking a page out of Razer and Steelseries by refreshing their mice to make the most out of their designs and hardware. Many of these models have been out for quite a number of years now without a new successor. Reasonably, they're probably less and less people buying their older mice due to them being so damn well built with a crazy long warranty. However, I feel like the refresh is somewhat welcomed - albeit a small one - to reinvigorate their Gaming brand. Notably, their gaming presence has been greatly diminished by the likes of Razer / SteelSeries and their short refreshes on all their models, *cough xai / DA. But anyways...

I've chosen to review all three mice at once in a single forum post, perhaps due to the similar nature of the build quality of the mice, and the similarities that they draw to their predecessors. I have however, released individual video reviews on YouTube, so you guys can check that out if you're more into video.

G400s Review: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKsLC0iGehU
G400s Unboxing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkF5mjT_KuM
G400s Button / Scroll: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NX4HDUtfz0

G500s Review: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFOFrkBMCm4
G500s Unboxing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-vxFcAl-oc
G500s Button / Scroll: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avSiBkABDek

G700s Review: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXpIxWKQp1E
G700s Unboxing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pztcs-se8WU
G700s Button / Scroll: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LA5t4hS9eXU

Price:
G400s - $59
G500s - $69
G700s - $99

Weight & Shape:

Own Measurements:

G400s - 70 x 125 x 41cm - 109g (without cord)
G500s - 70 x 128 x 40cm - 121g (without cord) (without weights)
G700s - 80 x 120 x 45cm - 152g (without cord, with battery)

All three sport the same shapes as their predecessors. For all of you that are familiar with those mice, expect the exact same thing in terms of it's shape. Here are some pictures for viewing pleasure:

G400s






G500s






G700s







Build Quality

By all means, the overall build quality of the mice are of very high standard. More importantly, the biggest (albeit small) change to the refreshes is the surface. Many if not most people think that this is probably just a way to cheap out on redesigning a mouse, by refreshing the surface. However, there are subtle differences to all the surfaces.

If you've ever used the older G500, all three surfaces are quite similar to that - fairly smooth, light reflects gently off the surfaces, somewhat comfortable to grip. However, it is a straight up smooth surface unlike that of the G500. To my recollection, the G500 employed a smooth surface with textures that gave the mouse a patterned feeling. In these refreshes, you cannot feel the textures and ti's a very smooth surface all around. Notably, the G400s surface is slightly more slippery than the G500s & G700s which both employ a fairly similar grip.

For the side grips, nothing much has changed in this department either. The grainy surface remains the same allowing for decent sweat resistant grip which, to be honest I actually somewhat enjoy. The G400s does not have a grainy surface as employes the same smoothy matte surface as the G400 did (as opposed to a sticky more grippy matte surface).

There is very little change in the overall build quality compared to before, which... can be a good thing or a bad thing, depends on how you look at it. I personally think that's up to you.

Nonetheless, all three mice do seem fairly sturdy in this regard.

















Sensor / Performance:

Below you'll find polling rate tests / speed tests / jitter testing at the respective DPIs.

Summary
G400s: Avago S3095 - upgraded to 4000dpi - adjustable with steps of 50
G500s: Avago S9808 - upgraded to 8200dpi - adjustable with steps of 50
G700s: Avago S9808 - upgraded to 8200dpi - adjustable with steps of 50

Pretty impressive tracking results for the S9808 - even at higher DPI ratings and 1000 polling rate. Wireless tracking for the G700s was quite impressive as well.

Additionally, for people who are concerned about Acceleration issues with the S9808 - I could not test for acceleration on both the G500s and the G700s. Does this mean it's potentially fixed from it's old problems of the G500s? maybe... just maybe... until someone else presents results to the contrary, I'm sticking with my result.

All tests done on the Steelseries 5L Mousepad.

G400S

















G500S
















G700S















Buttons / Switches / Scroll Wheel:

All 3 mice are rated with Omron D2FC-F-7N(20M) Switches for Mouse 1 / Mouse 2. However, the clicks do feel slightly different due to the chassis. Nonetheless, still very similar to the original G400 / G500 / G700.

Scroll wheels are exactly the same - and very distinctive.
G400s - very light, rubber, doesn't feel as "mechanical" as the other two, same as G400 / MX518
G500s - mechanical - has gear switch - very light and scrolls very quickly from one indentation to the next
G700s - mechanical - gear switch - slightly heavier and requires force from one indentation to the next, has a noticeable stop in between scroll bumps





Software - Logitech's new Suite

This is probably their newest refresh. Although it doesn't offer anything substantially different, it has a fairly nice presentation and will do the job well in terms of macroing and programming. The g500s / g700s has onboard memory while the g400s does not.

























Conclusion:

So that concludes my short overview of Logitech's new offerings in the mouse department. Is it worth it? The upgraded sensors on the G500s / G700s might be a deal breaker for some. If you've gotten used to the acceleration, it may take some time to adjust back to no acceleration, and to that extent I might not even recommend getting the upgrade if your G500 or G700 isn't broken. Overall, just a breath of fresh air in terms of looks and sensor, however, nothing too innovative in terms of it's internals, ergonomics, or firmware.
Edited by takasta - 4/29/13 at 6:32am
post #2 of 73
great reviews
post #3 of 73
Awesome review mate. Thanks for posting this.
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post #4 of 73
Awesome review but I have one very specific question which will most likely decide whether I'm going to be purchasing the g400s.

Is it possible you could compare the cord of g400s to the g400 one? I'm a previous owner of two MX510s and a G5 and all of them died because the cord wore from the part where it goes inside the mouse. I've read and heard that this was a big problem with g400 as well, and I'll be damned if I buy another "flawless" (I REALLY love the design of the mouse otherwise) Logitech mouse that dies because Logitech has designed the cord to break down after a while.

Checking the cord would most likely mean opening both mice and examining the exact part where the cord goes inside the mouse. The g400s seems to have a "strenghtened" cable at that spot, but it can only be seen from the outside: if it isn't strenghtened from the inside, the cable might still be just as weak.

I would appreciate it very much if you could somehow check the difference in the cords and then post the results here. I'm absolutely 100% sure I'm not the only one who is interested about this feature. Logitech has always been very quiet about the cord failures and hence getting a response from them might be nigh impossible, indicating that the cord is indeed meant to break down after a while.
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the Omron D2FC-F-7N was great... as 10M or even 20M version it will never get loose and easier to click :/ dont see the point in that. before you hit that many clicks something else will break anyway *cough*cable*cough*
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This "reviewer" is a tool. Google g500s input lag. This mouse has some serious issues and this "reviewer" is a tool for Logitech and does not know what he is talking about. Thanks for the biased review takasta. We now know you are dishonest and just want free stuff from companies so as long as you post a positive review no matter how bad a product is and this.

Here are the FACTS :

1. The g500s mouse produces the worst lag I have ever seen on a mouse and so far EVERY user who has purchased this has stated so. The "professional" review sites are tools for Logitechs marketing machine.

2. The g500s mouse STILL uses the awful ceramic capacitor which produce whining noise. No firmware will fix this since its a hardware issue. If you CAN replace the capacitor with a poly cap to remove the noise but that voids your warranty and you need to take it apart, solder, ect.

3. Scroll wheel is still too easy to move in "click mode". Not very good for gaming but nice for scrolling webpages so this is subjective if its a pro or con. Being a gaming mouse they should have made a stiffer "click mode" on the wheel.
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btw grimster you know by any chance how easy it is to replace the switches? since they are soldered into the tiny card i think.
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Originally Posted by Grimster View Post

This "reviewer" is a tool. Google g500s input lag. This mouse has some serious issues and this "reviewer" is a tool for Logitech and does not know what he is talking about. Thanks for the biased review takasta. We now know you are dishonest and just want free stuff from companies so as long as you post a positive review no matter how bad a product is and this.

Here are the FACTS :

1. The g500s mouse produces the worst lag I have ever seen on a mouse and so far EVERY user who has purchased this has stated so. The "professional" review sites are tools for Logitechs marketing machine.

2. The g500s mouse STILL uses the awful ceramic capacitor which produce whining noise. No firmware will fix this since its a hardware issue. If you CAN replace the capacitor with a poly cap to remove the noise but that voids your warranty and you need to take it apart, solder, ect.

3. Scroll wheel is still too easy to move in "click mode". Not very good for gaming but nice for scrolling webpages so this is subjective if its a pro or con. Being a gaming mouse they should have made a stiffer "click mode" on the wheel.

Everything you said is true, and nothing that I said was biased, it was a mere overview over the original Logitech mice.

Most here know I'm not a tool and in fact, located in Hk, I have to buy all my fear to review, so I actually spend a lot of money doing this and doing all the tests. I'm a very small time reviewer really.
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Takasta Keep up the good work thumb.gif
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Wow very nice review mate, keep them coming
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