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My Current drive layout isn't working too well at the moment. I currently have a program drive and a much much larger data drive, but wrangling Windows in to do what I want it to doesn't work all too well, and I keep having to clean my harddrive because it keeps running out of space. Because of this, I want to switch to a caching solution. My problem is I am running and AMD system, and as my processor and motherboard are working out just fine, and not at the point of upgrading those, so Intel SRT is out.

Can anybody lead me to some good caching solutions? I don't have any real preference between hardware of software solutions, but it has to be ate least somewhat affordable (yeah I have seen some RAID cards that would let me chance to a SSD RAID 0, but I can't bun $700 at the moment) , and being upgradeable us a definite plus.
Edited by BirdofPrey - 4/29/13 at 6:51pm
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Mushkin's Catalyst line of caching SSDs, along with catching SSDs from Corsair, Crucial, EDGE, and OCZ, all use Nvelo's Dataplex software, which has some promising results; however there are a couple drawbacks:

* Only one drive can be accelerated using a caching SSD and Dataplex.
* Only supports Windows 7 (though it can run in compatibility mode in Windows 8 unless you're using an AMD chipset in RAID mode). A native Windows 8 version was in development, but is on hold due to Nvelo being bought out by Samsung back in December 2012.
* No support for nVidia nForce chipsets
* No support for Dual boot systems
* Requires a serial key (included with the above drives) and activation.

Another option is Sandisk's ReadyCache SSD, which uses Condusiv's ExpressCache software. I don't know much on that one I'm afraid, so YMMV.
     
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THe biggest issue I keep running in to is that the SSDs that come with a key for caching software seem to get discontinued so quickly. Every time I think I have found what I am looking for, newegg says it's out of stock.

Around Christmas I was considering getting a Revodrive hybrid, discontinued, so I looked at the caching SSD OCZ used to have. discontinued. Yesterday I found a caching SSD by crosair, discontinued.
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This is why I went with the 100GB Mushkin Catalyst Cache SSD. It's still available last I checked on Newegg.

Personally, prices on SSDs need to come down much much more in price. At present, they cost about 3-4x more than conventional drives.
     
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As far as I can tell these "caching" SSDs are pretty much just ordinary SSDs with bundled software (pretty sure most everyone uses dataplex.) that handles everything (and correct me if I am wrong). Are there any good caching programs that DON'T require me to buy a specific drive (as far as I am aware, Dataplex is not sold separately, and that can't be the only data caching software), but can instead be used with any old SSD off newegg?

On another note, how can I determine how much cache capacity I am going to need?
Edited by BirdofPrey - 5/1/13 at 4:50am
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So I am definitely considering that Mushkin Catalyst, but I still need to know how to determine how much cache I need.
I am also still on the look out for any software alternatives that don't require me to buy a specific SSD.
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Cache size should be the formatted capacity of your caching SSD. Always.
     
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Obviously
What I am asking is how to determine how big a cache drive I need. for X TB of storage how many GB of cache do I need.

Also while I appreciate your help, I would appreciate it more if more than one person could help mee here, since a single opinion isn't very goo to base a purchase on.
In addition, I need to make a newegg purchase like right now since my PSU failed, and I would prefer to be able to buy a SSD at the same time to make things easier for me.


Edit: Crap just read the FAQ on the caching software; Windows 8 is not supported; use at your own risk.
Has anyone used Dataplex on WIndows 8? Does it actually work, or would I just be wasting my money? (again, third party solutions that work with any SSD are also acceptable if anyone knows of any alternatives)
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My Current drive layout isn't working too well at the moment. I currently have a program drive and a much much larger data drive, but wrangling Windows in to do what I want it to doesn't work all too well, and I keep having to clean my harddrive because it keeps running out of space. Because of this, I want to switch to a caching solution. My problem is I am running and AMD system, and as my processor and motherboard are working out just fine, and not at the point of upgrading those, so Intel SRT is out.

Can anybody lead me to some good caching solutions? I don't have any real preference between hardware of software solutions, but it has to be ate least somewhat affordable (yeah I have seen some RAID cards that would let me chance to a SSD RAID 0, but I can't bun $700 at the moment) , and being upgradeable us a definite plus.

I'm not sure if I understand your intent for using a caching system, but SSD caching is meant to enhance disk I/O performance, not to add more storage space to a PC.

A caching SSD contains copies of programs and data that are used frequently by the user. Everything that is written to the caching SSD is also stored on the HDD it works with. Everything stored on the caching SSD initially comes from the HDD, and when a file or data that is read from the caching SSD is modified and saved, it is also written to the HDD.

A caching disk system (SSD + HDD), which is seen by Windows as one disk volume, has the same capacity as the HDD part of the system, regardless of the size of the caching SSD.
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My current setup is a small program drive and a larger data drive. The data drive is running out of space due to what I would consider load balancing issues.
The first issue is that Windows has NEVER liked having multiple volumes on a system, and moving the users folder to a second drive is quite the exercise (Even after following instructions exactly, I still had about 5 errors to deal with before it would let me do that, and I also only moved specific users to the data drive, but I left public on C:/). The second issue is programs don't always play any nicer with the setup than Windows does; some store stuff in program files, some store stuff in the users folders, and some do both, so I have a few programs that are using up more space on C: than they need to, and installing everything to C: leads to running out of space, requiring me to install to different locations, and move stuff around occasionally. At the same time, since ../Documents/ is on the slower hard drive, certain files that I use a lot are still slow to access (relatively, due to the filesize it's not a huge difference, in most cases)

../users/public needs moved to D: which requires manhandling the system again due to lack of foresight on my part (and while moving most of it can be done in place, moving ALL of it requires an OS reinstall). If I have to reinstall anyways I would rather not have to wrangle Windows into submission, but instead just have one volume to deal with which Windows likes and programs like, and then take advantage of the speed of the SSD to cache exactly what I need.

edit: I previously said I would like to upgrade my main storage drive. Having run WinDirStat, I now see that all I need to do is tell WMC that I don't need a few days worth of recorded TV stored all at once.
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