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Hint: If Intel didn't pursue an iGPU and dedicated the die space to CPU, you'd get LGA 2011 wink.gif
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Originally Posted by Kaltenbrunner View Post

I don't think 14nm Broadwell will be released before late 2014, I really doubt it would be out a year from now. If I put off Haswell til early next year and rumours of summer Broadwell release start, I'd better hold on to that money redface.gif

Word on the street is, Broadwell with be a BGA processor only with no LGA sockets available. Which means it will only come soldered on the motherboard.
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Word on the street is, Broadwell with be a BGA processor only with no LGA sockets available. Which means it will only come soldered on the motherboard.

That is very old news. The new word on the street is that there will be both BGA and LGA variants of Broadwell, same with Haswell.
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Well that's good news
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post #25 of 64
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I think they are simply too concentrated on mobile market to think about desktop.

The mobile market is the most important one right now. AMD is no longer a threat, but ARM is.
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The mobile market is the most important one right now. AMD is no longer a threat, but ARM is.

However losing position on desktop market would bite Intel into the ass.
post #27 of 64
I just bought a 3930k and will upgrade once 4930k is released. Just hope I didn't make a mistake in not waiting for 4770k.
post #28 of 64
^ Depends on what you do. For the overwhelming majority of games, the i5-3570K IB beats SB-E simply because per-core IPC is more important than threading. But if you do heavily multi-threaded stuff like professional workstation stuff (I dont even know an example, even most multi-threaded stuff cares more about per core IPC or is limited to per core IPC like streaming is limited by in-game performance and software) than SB-E crushes IB.

Basically, in any instance where an 8350 is better than an i5-3570k, SB-E is a better choice than IB or Haswell. For the vast majority of users, IB and soon, Haswell, is the better choice, and especially the better choice in terms of value.

There's a reason why SB-E is not heavily recommended. There are few people who need the power of the SB-E and it's a better value, much less that they can even appreciate it. It's basically a server chip. If all you are doing is just some video games than SB-E is a poor choice.

But if you really need SB-E, than nothing else will do.
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I do quite a bit of video rendering and do a bit of IT technician repairs. So I'm constantly running 4-6 program's in the background. As well as gaming and in turn I think the extra few cores might just speed up the process of multitasking.
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The problem with that is that no one upgrades, sales slump, and then analysts run around saying the sky is falling and that the desktop is dying.

Intel should be well aware right now that their small increases in performance is leaving a lot of users on CPUs that are several years old that would have upgraded. I've heard the Intel monopoly on good performance justified by people saying that Intel would just compete with themselves or sales would slow, but what we're seeing is Intel not competing with themselves and sales slowing. You can blame it on AMD not competing or Intel getting over-content with their products but I feel it's both.

The question on my mind is that I forget how Intel responds before it's about to release something. Are they like AMD where they're quiet before they release something good and loud if it's going to suck or the opposite?

I really just seem to remember them being loud about everything but I guess it boils down to the details.

It's neither honestly. I've ran the same Phenom II for 4 years, going on 5 this summer (once it turns 4 hehe). So what's my excuse? Well, no real software push to upgrade. I haven't seen anything but C3 make me cry inside.

Granted, in a way I wish that my system was an Intel but... Well, I'm not sure about how things are going to turn out. I'm waiting on a few things . I want to know if Intel picks up the pace on threading, mainly due to how this next gen of consoles is going to influence things.

Back to the topic of Intel, nobody is really making them require huge advances. It's not even AMD being so "crappy", it's more so towards a huge stall in development work which I blame on developers. The main reason I think they do it, is because they can. For that, I blame consumers for continuing to buy such crappy games as PC gamers. Very few "light" resource based games are worth it, otherwise as a PC gamer I refuse to buy a game that doesn't even touch my system. That also means on the console end either, unless it's THAT good. A few are, sure, just not the number we've allowed.
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