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If this problem exists at such a quantum scale that it is imperceptible to human eye, or has insignificant bearing on the user experience, then why bother measuring it, and glorifying the results, except just for the sake of "why "not" ?

Edit: Of perhaps we are throwing the baby out with the bath water, in our zeal to prove a point.

There is no universal way to define user experience. That's why the phenomenom needs to be reported as is and leave a big part of the analysis on how significant it is to the end users. As long as there is even some portion of people who can perceive it, it is relevant information that needs to be made public knowledge. This analysis part is where the big questions can be found right now, not in arguing if the phenomenom is true or not.
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There is no universal way to define user experience. That's why the phenomenom needs to be reported as is and leave a big part of the analysis on how significant it is to the end users. As long as there is even some portion of people who can perceive it, it is relevant information that needs to be made public knowledge. This analysis part is where the big questions can be found right now, not in arguing if the phenomenom is true or not.

I don't disagree with this notion. It would have been fine if pcper had left it up to the users to decide, after presenting their analysis, but they overreached in their interpretation of the data when declaring in their conclusion that adding a second 7970 is worthless from the user experience perspective. This theme was reiterated again in their review of the 7990.
Look it, I don't have 7970 CF-X, so I can't say to what degree this problem is as bad as pcper makes it sound like in their review, but their seems to be almost a unanimous consensus that their definitive conclusion is divorced from the real world user experience, which makes their conclusion an over exaggeration of the problem.
When I see such a blatant disconnect, I can only wonder why pcper is insisting on convincing the readers of the review of their over exaggerated interpretation of the data, when clearly the degree to which this problem impacts user experience varies widely.

Edit: In the business world, it becomes second nature to question the motivation behind any atypical action, no matter how trivial such action may be, if the dots don't connect. The reason behind any atypical action is almost always business driven. May be in my case its just a matter of old habits dying hard...lol
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so, 320 works for BF3 using 600 series cards? what are these members complaining about?

http://www.overclock.net/t/1384998/nv-nvidia-320-00-beta-drivers/160
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so, 320 works for BF3 using 600 series cards? what are these members complaining about?

http://www.overclock.net/t/1384998/nv-nvidia-320-00-beta-drivers/160
the problems with BF3 is just crazy.

Guru3D always has a pretty extensive thread every release and folks have fixed their problems by reflashing the firmware (for older 670s), uninstalling precision 4.1, adjusting MSAA or doing a voodoo ritual; whereas others have had no problems at all - even with similar setups:
Nvidia GeForce 320.00 Beta - Download and Discussion (warning it is a very long thread with a lot of "works good/bad" only posts) it seems to me to be a very sporadic and inconsistent problem so therefore, rather difficult to fix/resolve.
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And I agree with almighty15 3840x2160 is not 4k, we don't call 1920x1080 2k, we call it 1080.

actually most dont call it 2K. but it is lol. not to mention that video also exists in 2.5K as well as 3K. sooo in all honestly its pointless get excited about this when its a video game and people have been gaming on multi-monitor rigs with multi-gpus.


4K isnt that exciting when movies are scanned and projected at 4K resolutions scanned from 35mm film. just saying 4K isnt something new rolleyes.gif

and its universally accepted that we dont call movies shot in 1080 as 1920x1080 we call it HD. so no offense but you are getting your terminology mixed up. its quiet common especially when most of the world doesnt understand the difference between film and video or the fact that tape is digital despite the fact that it appears analogue tongue.gif so it is also accepted by the professional world that 2K, 2.5K, 3K, 4K are rounded numbers for the effective digital resolution of motion pictures thumb.gif

as for the video im not really impressed with how the game looks. but im also watching 4K on a 23" computer screen wth.gif
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the problems with BF3 is just crazy.

Guru3D always has a pretty extensive thread every release and folks have fixed their problems by reflashing the firmware (for older 670s), uninstalling precision 4.1, adjusting MSAA or doing a voodoo ritual; whereas others have had no problems at all - even with similar setups:
Nvidia GeForce 320.00 Beta - Download and Discussion (warning it is a very long thread with a lot of "works good/bad" only posts) it seems to me to be a very sporadic and inconsistent problem so therefore, rather difficult to fix/resolve.

Really? I stopped having problem with BF3 like i cant remember. Its been superber with my HD 7970s.
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the problems with BF3 is just crazy.

Guru3D always has a pretty extensive thread every release and folks have fixed their problems by reflashing the firmware (for older 670s), uninstalling precision 4.1, adjusting MSAA or doing a voodoo ritual; whereas others have had no problems at all - even with similar setups:
Nvidia GeForce 320.00 Beta - Download and Discussion (warning it is a very long thread with a lot of "works good/bad" only posts) it seems to me to be a very sporadic and inconsistent problem so therefore, rather difficult to fix/resolve.

i don't need the fix. it's our fellow members in that thread i linked who need it. would you be so kind and share your knowledge to them poor fellows. i suggested that they use an older tested driver like 306. i guess it is just crazy to just give up the game altogether or use one driver for this game alone and another for other games. geeze.
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It wasn't that big of a test though. 10 people or so iirc.

It's a start. We need more of these kinds of tests (Along with the old FPS Fraps, FCAT, etc tests) as they show user experience best.
    
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so, 320 works for BF3 using 600 series cards? what are these members complaining about?

http://www.overclock.net/t/1384998/nv-nvidia-320-00-beta-drivers/160

The issue I have is consistent over 3 driver revisions. Has nothing to do with the 320.00 beta and their is no fix for frame timing issues.
    
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I just got 690 SLI, I am using the 314 WHQL and BF3 runs great for me. I was told it might help others.
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