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I did some more bending today ... #2 was worse that last night, #3 was poor ... but I was happy with #4.

LiqAsrt-0338-Bend.jpg



This bend looks like it used an insert that is too small for the ID, thus crushing at the inside of the bend. I had that issue when I first started, find yourself a really good insert that fits really snug, bends will come out clean.

Whole heartedly agree. With one addition, if you use Monsoon tubing and fittings stick with Monsoon inserts. They fit Monsoon tubing perfectly right out of the box. Don't try to cheap out on their bending kits going with PrimoChill or one of the other products. It will only muck something up in the bending process and you'll never be satisfied with you work as a result. thinking.gif

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Whole heartedly agree. With one addition, if you use Monsoon tubing and fittings stick with Monsoon inserts. They fit Monsoon tubing perfectly right out of the box. Don't try to cheap out on their bending kits going with PrimoChill or one of the other products. It will only muck something up in the bending process and you'll never be satisfied with you work as a result. thinking.gif

~Ceadder smil3dbd4e4c2e742.gif

Ceadder ... excellent comment ... but ... one thing I mentioned right up top was ... Everything is Monsoon (tube, bending kit, etc) ... so this pic ...
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LiqAsrt-0334-Bend.jpg

... is monsoon inner tube, monsoon tube and the other bending stuff is all monsoon (with the exception of the gloves ... I used my fluro work gloves).

I measured the red tube (1/2 OD x 3/8 ID) (spoiler picture above) with my calipers and it was ...
OD ... 12.45mm (12.7mm is 1/2" but 0.25mm seems to be within my measurement tolerance
ID ... 9.5mm (3/8" is 9.52mm)

I emailed Joe at modmymods about ...
  • Alphacool Silicon Bending Insert 30cm for ID 3/8" / 10mm HardTube - Blue (29119)
  • Barrow 10mm Silicon Bending Cord - For 10mm ID HardTube - 1M Length (10MM)

... and he said ...
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I measure both with a digital caliper.

The barrow is about 9.5mm and the Alphacool is about 9.75mm

I now have both of these downstairs. I will pull them out over the weekend and see how those fit.

Edit: Just popped downstairs and tried both of the new ones in a bit of monsoon tubing ... they are both 1m long, look to be the same diameter (naked eye), markedly bigger than the monsoon tube ... and very snug fit. I will need some lubrication to insert them into the tube.

Edited by ruffhi - 7/22/16 at 6:57am
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If you're bending 5/8" Monsoon Hardline you need their Red cord. If you're bending their 1/2" hardline you need their Blue cord.

I suggest getting their red since it's obvious from the pic that you're using their Blue cord. wink.gif

Post that pic in the Monsoon thread and @BoxGods will get you sorted out. thumb.gif

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Hi guys

Has anyone here used this "Dremel Moto-Saw" for cutting 16mm tubing? If so, how did the cut turning out? Let me know please. Thanks
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If you're bending 5/8" Monsoon Hardline you need their Red cord. If you're bending their 1/2" hardline you need their Blue cord.

I am bending their 1/2" OD 3/8" ID stuff.
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Post that pic in the Monsoon thread and @BoxGods will get you sorted out. thumb.gif

I did ... his response in spoiler ...
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The silicone bending rod should not be a tight fit and it is better if it isn't. If you have to sand on the silicone or oil it to get it in and out of the tube that leads to a lot of other issues. The example pictured in the green tube looks like it was not heated in a wide enough area along the tube, or the heated area was not centered on the bend. The silicone insert is soft--even if it was a tight fit incorrect temperature, uneven heating, incorrect location of heat application, incorrect bend speed, too mich pressure (pressing the tube into the mandrel too hard) etc. will cause issues because the insert can be easily deformed.

Bending tube is as much about feel and "hand skill" as anything else so there really isn't a substitute for practice. Get a few extra sticks of tube to practice on. Cut it into shorter pieces so it is easier to work with and see what is going on. Don't just keep doing the same things (heat time and area, bend speed, pressure, etc.) and expect a different / better result.

The reason I mention feel and hand skills is that there is no one EXACT formula. Like xx heat over xx area bent at xx speed with xx pressure. Some guys will prefer the tube slightly hotter and will bend a little faster with less pressure. Others might be more comfortable with less heat, slower bend speed, and more pressure. I have bent a fair amount of tube but I still do a few practice bends if I have not bent any tube in a month or two, or if I am using a new color or tube size or switching from acrylic to PETG etc.

Some common issues I see with new benders. Improperly prepared work area. Have everything set up and the area cleared of any obstacles--do a "cold" rehearsal of the actions you will take for the bend cycle to make sure everything is in place and there are no obstructions. Make sure you are applying the heat fairly close to where you will actually be bending and once you make the move from heat to mandrel don't dilly dick around. Being unsure where to heat is the number one cause of applying the heat to the wrong location on the tube. use a pencil (not a marker) and mark the center and each end of your bend. Be consistent with your marking habits so you can practice where you will heat in relation to your marks. Excessive force. Try to push and pull and press with as little pressure as will work. Almost everyone under heats the tube their first few practice bends and "cold" tube requires a lot more force. After they get the tube hot enough the inclination is to apply as much force as they did previously on the cold bends
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what's the best cutter for acrylic tubing? I tried my copper tubing pipe cutter and it caused cracking. Tried XSPC scissor type cutter and that also caused cracking.
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what's the best cutter for acrylic tubing? I tried my copper tubing pipe cutter and it caused cracking. Tried XSPC scissor type cutter and that also caused cracking.

I use a hacksaw, Works everytime.

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Can someone please help me figure out if these fittings and tubing are compatible? The guy I spoke with at performance pcs did not know.

Alphacool HT 13mm Compression Fitting
http://www.performance-pcs.com/fittings-connectors/alphacool-ht-13mm-compression-fitting-g1-4-for-plexi-brass-tubes-knurled-deep-black.html

PrimoChill 1/2in Rigid PETG Tubing
http://www.performance-pcs.com/rigid-hard-tubing/primochill-1-2in-rigid-petg-tubing-36in-clear-12-pack.html

I was able to get the fitting on, although it was a bit tight (I didn't hulk out putting it on, but it didn't slide on either). Once it was on, I tightened the collar and it seemed solid. I was able to pull it off the tube though. Is this normal? The guy at PPC's said I should use glue and I hadn't heard of that before. I've looked up some videos but haven't found an answer yet.

I appreciate anyone taking the time to help me out with this.
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Can someone please help me figure out if these fittings and tubing are compatible? The guy I spoke with at performance pcs did not know.

Alphacool HT 13mm Compression Fitting
http://www.performance-pcs.com/fittings-connectors/alphacool-ht-13mm-compression-fitting-g1-4-for-plexi-brass-tubes-knurled-deep-black.html

PrimoChill 1/2in Rigid PETG Tubing
http://www.performance-pcs.com/rigid-hard-tubing/primochill-1-2in-rigid-petg-tubing-36in-clear-12-pack.html

I was able to get the fitting on, although it was a bit tight (I didn't hulk out putting it on, but it didn't slide on either). Once it was on, I tightened the collar and it seemed solid. I was able to pull it off the tube though. Is this normal? The guy at PPC's said I should use glue and I hadn't heard of that before. I've looked up some videos but haven't found an answer yet.

I appreciate anyone taking the time to help me out with this.

PLEASE ignore the advice to glue in the tube, it is so wrong that I can not believe it was given rolleyes.gif

While it is generally not advised to mix metric and imperial, the Alphacool HT 13mm fittings and Primochill 1/2" PETG tubing are actually reasonably compatible with each other.
The photo below has this exact combo being held under pressure.
It was able to hold 10 PSI, BUT could not hold 15 PSI.

I consider 10 PSI to be a good holding pressure which this fitting/tube combo was able to achieve.
FYI: 5 PSI is my barely acceptable level, while 15 PSI or above I consider excellent.

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PLEASE ignore the advice to glue in the tube, it is so wrong that I can not believe it was given rolleyes.gif

While it is generally not advised to mix metric and imperial, the Alphacool HT 13mm fittings and Primochill 1/2" PETG tubing are actually reasonably compatible with each other.
The photo below has this exact combo being held under pressure.
It was able to hold 10 PSI, BUT could not hold 15 PSI.

I consider 10 PSI to be a good holding pressure which this fitting/tube combo was able to achieve.
FYI: 5 PSI is my barely acceptable level, while 15 PSI or above I consider excellent.
Picture (Click to show)


Thanks for the advice fast_fate, I ended up buying some PETG tubing from Alphacool just to be safe.
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