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Not a touch screen as OP was requesting. I have a feeling the subject title is confusing people. Maybe it should read - "Looking for high quality touch screen monitor?"

Referencing the OP...
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I perfer touchscreen since it seems things are going towards that but if not then doesnt matter.....

I am not knowledgeable about touchscreen monitors, nor do I believe there are well-reviewed (standalone) touchscreen monitors on the market at the moment anyways.
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There are a selection of them on newegg.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007721%20600012673&IsNodeId=1&name=1920%20x%201080

Cant recommend any(never owned one) and lots are made by brands I have never used.
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It seemed like the OP wanted a touch screen simply because he thought the current trend was towards touchscreen monitors. However, for desktop use they really haven't caught on that much, since they have limited benefits over a mouse for most uses.
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oops - redface.gif - thanks for pointing out he was open to regular IPS screens.

Then the suggestion from kevinsbane - U2312HM was a good suggestion or newer U2313HM. thumb.gif
     
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you can touch MY screen, smile.gif
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How about YOU don't be ridiculous? Unless you can get 2 Korean IPS monitors for $275 with a 3 year warranty, you most certainly CANNOT get 2 of them for the price of a new Dell monitor. Perhaps it would be better if you actually researched the prices of these monitors before you made ridiculous comparisons... Most of the korean IPS panels from reputable sellers cost almost $400, and you can often find the U2713HM for $550-$585, which is FAR under double the price of the korean monitors.
I picked a pixel perfect PLS from an apparently refutable manufacturer on Ebay, and it costs $340 with a 3 year warranty for $50 dollars, bringing the total to $390.
For a QH270, the price seems to be just under $370, with $54 for the 3 year warranty bringing the total to about $420. You most certainly CANNOT get 2 Dell monitors for that. Even if you pay the ridiculous $800 MSRP that NO ONE pays, you still would be over. You can pretty routinely get the U2713HM for $150 more than these panels, and you get a better stand, better OSD, and better warranty support (Dell cross ships and pays for return shipping, and overnights replacements).

How are the Korean monitors superior to what we have in the US? They use the same panels as the IPS/PLS monitors from Dell, Samsung, Asus, etc.



OP I'm not sure why you don't want to consider a 2560 x 1440 panel; sure movies aren't at that resolution, but having more desktop space helps a lot for general usage. Movies aren't going to look any worse on a 1440 screen than on a 1080p screen; 1:1 pixel mapping isn't as necessary for video content as it is for games.

Lowest price for Dell UltraSharp U2713HM 27" at the moment is 630 + shipping (~660). Lowest price for PLS is $300 + 40 warranty = 680 for two. So yes, you can get two korean PLS monitors for the same price as a dell. Sure you can wait for deals as low as ~$500-550, but you can also find catleaps selling on Craigslist for $150-200. So if you really want to make that argument, you still lose by an even wider margin.

1) Warranty support: warranty support from Square Trades is 100% top notch and just flat out better than Dell. They pay for everything including shipping.

2) QNIX/X-star monitor quality is, and listen closely, superior to the U2713HM. Again just because Dell is a American name brand does NOT mean it produces better quality products. QNIX is just a superior product in practically every way. Massively lower input lag, 120 Hz vs 60 Hz and PLS vs IPS. There is no contest.

Lastly, Calm down man you're gonna have a heart attack. These good deals make you mad? You got an inferior product and feel the need to rage on the forums to justify your purchase. Alternatively, learn from your mistakes so you can be rational and better off the next time you make a purchase. Your choice.
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Lowest price for Dell UltraSharp U2713HM 27" at the moment is 630 + shipping (~660). Lowest price for PLS is $300 + 40 warranty = 680 for two. So yes, you can get two korean PLS monitors for the same price as a dell. Sure you can wait for deals as low as ~$500-550, but you can also find catleaps selling on Craigslist for $150-200. So if you really want to make that argument, you still lose by an even wider margin.

1) Warranty support: warranty support from Square Trades is 100% top notch and just flat out better than Dell. They pay for everything including shipping.

2) QNIX/X-star monitor quality is, and listen closely, superior to the U2713HM. Again just because Dell is a American name brand does NOT mean it produces better quality products. QNIX is just a superior product in practically every way. Massively lower input lag, 120 Hz vs 60 Hz and PLS vs IPS. There is no contest.

Lastly, Calm down man you're gonna have a heart attack. These good deals make you mad? You got an inferior product and feel the need to rage on the forums to justify your purchase. Alternatively, learn from your mistakes so you can be rational and better off the next time you make a purchase. Your choice.

To build on this

1. 1080p movies played on a 1440p monitor using something like madvr DOES look better.

2. i got my monitor for $287+40 for a warranty = 327 so if i got 2 of them $654. Not sure where you found the prices you are going on about.

3. ALL stock monitor stands i have used no matter what brand have pretty much sucked compared to after market multi monitor stands so this is a none issue for most of use running double/triple monitor as most likely will get a good stand anyway

4. in terms of them using the same panel, yes they do but there is no OSD no scaler which equals LESS INPUT LAG. for those only using this for a PC it is perfect trade-off
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Lowest price for Dell UltraSharp U2713HM 27" at the moment is 630 + shipping (~660). Lowest price for PLS is $300 + 40 warranty = 680 for two. So yes, you can get two korean PLS monitors for the same price as a dell. Sure you can wait for deals as low as ~$500-550, but you can also find catleaps selling on Craigslist for $150-200. So if you really want to make that argument, you still lose by an even wider margin.

1) Warranty support: warranty support from Square Trades is 100% top notch and just flat out better than Dell. They pay for everything including shipping.

2) QNIX/X-star monitor quality is, and listen closely, superior to the U2713HM. Again just because Dell is a American name brand does NOT mean it produces better quality products. QNIX is just a superior product in practically every way. Massively lower input lag, 120 Hz vs 60 Hz and PLS vs IPS. There is no contest.

Lastly, Calm down man you're gonna have a heart attack. These good deals make you mad? You got an inferior product and feel the need to rage on the forums to justify your purchase. Alternatively, learn from your mistakes so you can be rational and better off the next time you make a purchase. Your choice.

To begin with, I am not "mad" as you claim.

Second, I got my U2713HM when it was well under $600. I don't care if you can't currently get one for that; they have sales all the time at this price (I believe they had one just one or two days ago). The prices I quoted for the korean panels were for PIXEL PERFECT panels. For a fair comparison to the Dell you need to be looking at these, since Dell will let you return their high end panels for virtually any reason if you are not satisfied with it.

I have no idea why you said that you can get Catleaps for under $200 on craigslist; I searched the craigslist in my area (A major metropolitan area) and could find ZERO 2560 x 1440 monitors. Since craigslist is a person to person sale, it requires that someone has the product you want within driving distance. Given that I cannot find ANY of these monitors in my area, it clearly is not a viable choice for everyone. Furthermore, I seriously doubt that anyone is selling a Catleap for $150 unless it has serious issues with it. In any case, you aren't getting a warranty and you are screwed if anything happens.

You seem to be confusing QUALITY with FEATURES. They are totally different things. Input lag and refresh rate are not a difference in QUALITY, they are a difference in FEATURE SET. If I buy a monitor knowing that it has a 60Hz refresh rate and a small amount of input lag , I am not going to say "this is low quality" when it performs exactly as I expect in this regard.

Here are some examples of quality issues: dead pixels, backlight bleed, fit and finish and overall build quality (including the stand), color/backlight regularity, etc.

Sure, you can OC some of the korean panels, but these OCs are by no means guaranteed.

Looking on Ebay right now, the cheapest qnix monitor with a perfect pixel guarantee is $404, with $64 for a 3 year warranty, for a total of $468. That is approximately $100 less than what I paid for my U2713HM. However, the Qnix monitor ships from Korea, whereas my Dell monitor (which I bought from newegg) came 2 days after I bought it.

The U2713HM does have input lag, but it is not anything that I can notice in FPS games, so it doesn't bother me. Therefore it is a non issue. Furthermore, the stand on the U2713HM is very nice, and certainly better than ANYTHING you will find on a korean panel. It has height, tilt, pivot, and rotation adjustments and is very sturdy. Getting a stand that can do all of these things would cost at least $50. Sure, you can get monoprice stands that have these adjustments for $30, but you have to physically loosen screws in order to make any adjustments, which takes MUCH longer.



Your point on warranty support is COMPLETELY WRONG. You clearly have not had any experiences with Dell's monitor support. I have no idea what their general computer support is like, but their support for their high end monitors is FANTASTIC and literally could not be better in any way. I had bad backlight bleed on the first panel I got. I contacted customer support, and they shipped me out a second panel without even asking for proof of the bleed or any evidence of any kind. That's right, they shipped the replacement BEFORE I sent the old monitor back. They then sent me a fedex label for the return shipping (so I had to pay nothing). I then scheduled a pickup with fedex (again at no cost) and sent the old monitor back to them. In total, this return cost me ZERO dollars, minimal time, and could not have gone any better. The people on the site you linked clearly had issues, but most of their issues were with computers, not monitors.

In other words, the Dell ultrasharp monitor warranty support is just as good as any other support out there, if not better. There is literally nothing they could have improved on with my warranty.

Finally, how did I get an "inferior product?" Last time I checked I have a monitor that is factory calibrated, has no dead pixels, a superior stand, more inputs, a better OSD, excellent colors, and a USB 3.0 Hub. You seem to be attempting to justify your purchase by completely making up numbers and facts.



Spartan F8, the cheapest 2560 x 1440 panel I can find on Ebay right now is $300, with a $50 warranty. Add on a quality VESA stand with all the adjustments that the Dell has and you are going to be paying a total of at least $400.
Edited by Mjolnir125 - 5/7/13 at 6:42pm
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post #29 of 121
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Lowest price for Dell UltraSharp U2713HM 27" at the moment is 630 + shipping (~660). Lowest price for PLS is $300 + 40 warranty = 680 for two. So yes, you can get two korean PLS monitors for the same price as a dell. Sure you can wait for deals as low as ~$500-550, but you can also find catleaps selling on Craigslist for $150-200. So if you really want to make that argument, you still lose by an even wider margin.
Why pay shipping on a U2713hm? Wait a week, and I guarantee the U2713hm will be available for <$600 a pop - with free shpping and direct-from-dell Ultrasharp support.
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1) Warranty support: warranty support from Square Trades is 100% top notch and just flat out better than Dell. They pay for everything including shipping.
Not a single one of those complaints is about an ultrasharp. Not a single one of the squaretrade experiences covers a monitor. (I found one, and Squaretrade didn't even fix the problem, just gave the person his money back)
You obviously have not had an Ultrasharp warranty. A squaretrade warranty does not equal an Ultrasharp warranty. There is no contest between the two. A squaretrade warranty does not cover dead pixels. It does not cover backlight bleed. It does not do advanced monitor replacements. It does not cover tinting. It does not give you a "15 days, no-questions-asked" refund. An Ultrasharp warranty covers all of these issues. And all of them via advanced RMA too, with free prepaid shipping.
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2) QNIX/X-star monitor quality is, and listen closely, superior to the U2713HM. Again just because Dell is a American name brand does NOT mean it produces better quality products. QNIX is just a superior product in practically every way. Massively lower input lag, 120 Hz vs 60 Hz and PLS vs IPS. There is no contest.
No. Qnix is not a superior product in every single way.

Qnix has lower input lag. It also can overclock. Those are the two advantages it has. PLS vs IPS? No one cares. They're basically the same technology.
The U2713hm is better built, it has a better panel, it has a scalar, it has multiple inputs, it is factory calibrated, it has USB hubs, it has a far better stand, it has a proper OSD, and it looks better. The U2713hm is objectively a better monitor. And that's not even counting the warranty, which just happens to be the best consumer monitor warranty in the business.
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Lastly, Calm down man you're gonna have a heart attack. These good deals make you mad? You got an inferior product and feel the need to rage on the forums to justify your purchase. Alternatively, learn from your mistakes so you can be rational and better off the next time you make a purchase. Your choice.
You know what the Qnix has going for it? Overclockability, and value. Please, be objective on that front. These Qnix monitors are cheap. Cheap in construction, cheap in materials, cheap in design, and very cheap in price. It just so happens that the value proposition is extreme - and hence why we forgive the problems with the Qnix's backlight bleed, tinting, dead/stuck pixels, uniformity, poor design, lack of features and absence of a real warranty.

And the cheap price is why it's sitting on my desk, and not a U2713hm. However, I'm under no illusions that it's a better monitor than a Dell U2713hm.
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Why pay shipping on a U2713hm? Wait a week, and I guarantee the U2713hm will be available for <$600 a pop - with free shpping and direct-from-dell Ultrasharp support.
Not a single one of those complaints is about an ultrasharp. Not a single one of the squaretrade experiences covers a monitor. (I found one, and Squaretrade didn't even fix the problem, just gave the person his money back)
You obviously have not had an Ultrasharp warranty. A squaretrade warranty does not equal an Ultrasharp warranty. There is no contest between the two. A squaretrade warranty does not cover dead pixels. It does not cover backlight bleed. It does not do advanced monitor replacements. It does not cover tinting. It does not give you a "15 days, no-questions-asked" refund. An Ultrasharp warranty covers all of these issues. And all of them via advanced RMA too, with free prepaid shipping.
Dell warranty DOES NOT cover zero dead pixels on their ultrasharps. Here's directly from their website: Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Bright pixels:1 or more Dead/dark pixels:6 or more
Secondly, all IPS monitors have backlight bleed and the good korean sellers will cover return shipping due to excessive backlight bleed. Dell is no better on that front.

Check out this link showing a dell with excessive backlight bleed. Their response?
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
We do not validate/test Dell monitors in a lab darker than 150 lms (lumens). At 150 lms, the perceived brightness/chromaticity non-uniformity is not as noticeable as say in a dark room at 50 lms. What you are seeing is within our current specification.

So it is only in your imagination that Dell has a better warranty. Dell warranty gets an average of 2/5 stars, square trade gets an average of 5/5. The choice is more than obvious from an objective point of view.
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The U2713hm is better built, it has a better panel, it has a scalar, it has multiple inputs, it is factory calibrated, it has USB hubs, it has a far better stand, it has a proper OSD, and it looks better.
None of that is advantage and most of that is just opinion. All a scalar does is create input lag and your GPU can perform the scalar function anyway, so it doesn't even matter. OSD? Same thing, it adds input delay. Factory calibrated? Spend 2 minutes with a calibration wizard. USB hubs? If I needed a USB hub, I'd get a USB hub not a monitor!
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These Qnix monitors are cheap. Cheap in construction, cheap in materials, cheap in design, and very cheap in price.
I invite you to come over and point out specifics in which my shimian and crossover are "cheap constructions." You won't be able to because there is zero wrong with the construction of these monitors. They do not have any factory defects.
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