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So.. Would you guys buy the 650D over the H630 or over the Fractal Design Arc Midi R2 ?
Also, would you wait for a 770 or go for a 670 (remember that I'm planning to SLI later on).
My budget for the GPU would be around 400$
I personally like either the 650D or the H630, both are well built and clean looking.
Dont worry about the 770, its just going to be a higher clocked 680, so yeah.... if your going to get a 7XX card, it has to be the 780, which is a slower Titan. Price will probably be in the $600's though.
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Adding my two cents in to an already extensive thread.... tongue.gif

After conducting tests on my own comparing Arctic Cooling Silver 5 to Arctic Cooling Ceramique 2, I've switched to the latter. The tests were completed three times for each thermal compound on the same platform (Asus P8Z68 Deluxe/GEN3 with i2600k overclocked to 4Ghz cooled by an XSPC RASA 750 kit) and results recorded after twenty-four hour runs each; or, a touch over twelve days of testing. Twenty-four hours of idle and twenty four hours at full load, three times for each compound. The results were averaged. Each compound used the simple rice sized drop on the CPU.

From the results obtained, I found the AC Ceramique 2 was one degree cooler at idle and two degrees cooler at full load. Hence, why I switched.

If one or two degrees temperature doesn't matter to you then completely ignore my post.
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Between the 650D and the H630, I would go for whichever one I found nicer looking, which happens to be the 650D. There's not really much of a difference between them in terms of features, unless you're doing a custom loop.

You might have some problems with a wide ATX motherboard, like the G1 Sniper 3, on the recessed motherboard tray, though. Beware of that.
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Between the 650D and the H630, I would go for whichever one I found nicer looking, which happens to be the 650D. There's not really much of a difference between them in terms of features, unless you're doing a custom loop.

You might have some problems with a wide ATX motherboard, like the G1 Sniper 3, on the recessed motherboard tray, though. Beware of that.

I honestly hope he takes my advice and goes M-ATX. I doubt he's gonna buy a third GFX card or like a soundcard.
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I think the Bitfenix ones are supposed to be good. Also, you can just zip tie your fans into place; that's what I do.
And that is what I want to avoid, I want a really neat look inside my case, zip tying the fans wouldn't be the thing I'm looking for exactly, at least not for now.

@Sethris225 :

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Facepalm (sorry, don't mean this in a harsh way).
You can mean it in a harsh way as long as it is constructive, I don't mind wink.gif.

About Haswell :

I know about the Haswell not being quite a step forward from Ivy processors, but the thing is it has a lower power consumption than its predecessors and I haven't said it before but I did intend to run this setup on a controlled electrical system time (and yes, I said did, due to my later decision, I'll avoid the details there but it was the only feature that was interesting me along with 5 to 10% improvement in term of performance). But, as said earlier, I know have a great deal on a 3770K (I was originally going for a 3570K or a 4670K), a brand new unit for around 90$, talk about savings ! Therefore I'll stick with it and avoid the higher prices of a 1150 Motherboard when they'll be released as long with Haswell.

About a GTX 770 :

I do know about all of this, but I thought that a 770 would be the better option, the performance of a 680 but the price of a 670.
Even with prices variations, the 680 will probably be more expensive than a 770, due to its original class, maybe I am wrong, if I am, I'll happily go with a 680 ! My budget for the graphic card is around 400$, also since I just saved around 200$ on the CPU I could spend a bit more on the GPU. And no, indeed, I will not do a full WC loop, maybe later now, but not right now and not with this budget.

About the MOBO :

I knew that my system wouldn't work and about the change of socket, no worries there. The main question here would be, why choosing a MATX board over an ATX ? Why an MATX case over a Mid Tower or even the Ultra Tower I had chosen at the beginning ? The Gene would be better than a Sabertooth or the UD5H ? If you say better, what would all the fuss be about ? 1866 or 1600 is actually quite at the same price right now, from 60 to 70$. Might as well go with 1866 IMO, it's not like I was buying some 2133 or more, no need to overclock RAM that much. In resume, the difference will be close to none but for the same price, why the hell not ? For example, what would you go for : these or these.

This build here is based on research (at least the bad ones I do), the help of this community (which I thank again by the way) and indeed assumptions, but I would rather wait and have a better product for the exact same amount of money rather than something with maybe 5% less performance, it's not much, but the feeling of satisfaction is actually greater. I do know that right now, since I have settled on the CPU, the RAM, the SSD, etc. The only components that are still bothering me are the GPU and the MOBO, I am still hesitating between : 2x670 or 2x680 or 2x770, the thing is the price of the first card is the only one that matters as I won't be buying them in the same time, the other one will be coming maybe a year or two later as an upgrade to this system, also if a single card system does provide better performance for the same price, why the hell not after-all, but that was my main idea here. The idea that 2x670 would cost me around 400$ for the first card but it would deliver less performance than 2x680 or 2x770, and I assume (an assumption indeed) that the 770 are going to be sold cheaper than the 680 somehow, because the 680 will stay not too far to the 780 in term of price tag.

But maybe I am indeed waiting too much, my main idea was, while I gather the money (I had some unexpected car reparations, I'm just missing a few) might as well think about it well and ask every question there is to ask rather than go to fast and regret something later on.

@Art Vanelay :

Indeed that is the most likely scenario, and 2600K and 3820, as well but since I have such an amazing price on this one I wouldn't go with a used CPU. Yes it is indeed a good deal wink.gif but I doubt Jesus had something to do with it. *divine light* Because I am Jesus ! *divine light*. Anyway. 21 pages ? What ? I see 5 pages personally. I'll do a post later on comparing my original buy and what I'm going to buy now, quite an evolution, believe me wink.gif.

@aLb.Strykr :

It is duty to the actual poor airflow of this case, but I changed my mind quite some time ago, right now I am hesitating between a NZXT H630 (a big heavy tower), a Fractal Design Arc Midi R2 and a Corsair 650D. That is variation people ! If you guys have any good suggestion for a really 'simple yet elegant and professional' kind of case under the 200$ range, that would be nice, something really sleek and neat.

@Sethris225 :

Yep it is my dear, quite badass wink.gif. My color scheme would be ideally Black & White but I doubt this is the kind of stuff I can find without painting or moding sadly. It's mostly about red or blue, damn it. I still do not get why MATX over ATX, the price, simply that ? I wouldn't go with a MATX board simply because it does limit me in the future, I wouldn't have the possibility to add a soundcard since I would have 2 GPU (the Xonar DX is quite a nice one for example) or to go with Quad SLI (who knows, what if I get rich as ... I still wouldn't do it even if I were to be a millionaire, I have no use of this). I don't know.. I like the feeling of an ATX board over MATX and the feeling of a Mid Tower rather than a MATX case. Did you get the idea that I wanted to go for a MATX system somewhere ? The other improvements are MATX related so I will not discuss them until this point is clarified.

When I was still looking at a 670 I was indeed going to go with a 670 FTW, these are the nicest deal IMO.
Also, I am not planning to buy any supplementary drives in the future as I already have quite a lot at home (1x320 and 1x1TB are going in my setup).
I have a 500GB SSHD laying around as well, I don't know if I'll find a case for it or put it inside as well, we'll see.
I will indeed go with a H100i over a H80i depending on the case since I have saved quite a bit of money.

@Art Vanelay :

Thanks for clarifying that again wink.gif. What about 650W though ?

@ADHDadditiv :

I like them both as well, the price difference isn't that much, it's mostly about the weigh and their look, different but both classy, gonna be difficult.
Why I was talking so much about the 770 is because it was indeed going to be a higher clocked 680 and I was expecting it to be cheaper than a 680 but apparently I'm wrong, I think I'll go with either a 670 FTW or a 680 but only once the 7XX are out. I am not willing to spend 600$ on a GPU sadly.

@AceGoober :

Extensive thread ? Nah.. Just a normal thread and if it can help people later on, why the hell not ? smile.gif
AS5 doens't even compare to Ceramique 2, but overall Ceramique 2 isn't that good, there is way better paste out there :
This for example.

@Art Vanelay :

I'm not doing a custom loop, and even if I were to, both of them offers great possibilities when it comes to WC, the H630 even more than the 650D.
I will carefully check MOBO / Case incompatibilities before buying, thank you for reminding me this important part wink.gif

@ Sethris225 :

A sound card is actually something I am looking forward to buy, maybe not a Essence STX as it is quite pricey also I wish I could buy it, but a Xonar DX is half the price and already of an extremely decent quality, I might have an opportunity to buy a used one from a friend soon enough !
Awaiting your explanations concerning a MATX mobo over ATX.
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I honestly hope he takes my advice and goes M-ATX. I doubt he's gonna buy a third GFX card or like a soundcard.
I own a sound card, and it makes listening to music so much more enjoyable. There's really no reason to go MATX; the Maximus V Gene and the G1 Sniper M3 aren't all that great of a value, and in my experience, the extra slots have been really useful.
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What is the sound card you own ?
I was going either for a Xonar DX or a STX (if the money is there), I heard good things about HT Omega as well.
I would run a Dayton Setup on this, a budget audiophile set but of a really good quality, equivalent to a Polk or Klipsch setup until a certain extend.
Also, I do play various instruments and am planning on recording myself, as well as a huge vynil collection smile.gif
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Haswell motherboards from Gigabyte should be a significant step-uup in terms of onboard audio and not only that. wink.gif

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Yeah Adri but sadly I won't be waiting for Haswell anymore as I am buying an i7 3770K through Intel Retail today.
Gotta love summer deal.

Anyway, now you're talking about the MOBO and that is interesting, I had selected the UD5H for its price but right now it is back at 175$, for the same price, less or a bit more is there something strikingly better ?

Edit : The UD5H and UD5TH sure looks nice though, wish I could have this but with a 1155 chipset ! Especially since I'm going for a black & white scheme.
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Oh you have access to Intel Retail Edge?

Well, there's the UD3H or the UP4 TH.
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Intel Core™ i7 930 Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R 2.0 Gigabyte GTX 470 SOC G.Skill RX 2x4GB 1600C8 
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PNY Prevail Elite 120GB Hitachi 7K1000.C 1TB LG GH24LS50 Noctua NH-C12P SE14 
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Windows 8 Pro x64 Lubuntu 13.10 x64 Samsung BX2250 Logitech Illuminated 
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Be Quiet! S.P. E⁷ 600W Fractal Design Core 3000 Logitech G300 AKG K240 Studio 
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