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I have to disagree.
With your first point, air coolers do nothing to cool the motherboard/chipset either unless you get one of those weird shaped ones that cool poorly.

Yes, your air vents are covered by a radiator, and you buy good fans so they don't have to spin as fast.

Yes you do run the risk of pump failure and other things. If you own a corsair unit, they replace everything that the cooler breaks. So if it leaks onto your video card and kills it, they will replace it.

Air coolers are good, but if you set up a watercooler correctly, you will get superior cooling.

All good points.
Superior cooling, yes, but a necessary upgrade over a decent air cooler for most people? Not really.

It comes down to what you're doing with the machine and what kind of temps you're comfortable with. It's a good better best argument as far as I'm concerned. I used a Hyper 212+ for a year before going to a CLC and my temps are far better than I was getting on air. Sure I run the risk of the pump failing but that's no different than any other possible failure a machine can have. Phase change is the best (other than pure liquid nitrogen) except for the size, noise, and cost for the unit.
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It comes down to what you're doing with the machine and what kind of temps you're comfortable with. It's a good better best argument as far as I'm concerned. I used a Hyper 212+ for a year before going to a CLC and my temps are far better than I was getting on air. Sure I run the risk of the pump failing but that's no different than any other possible failure a machine can have. Phase change is the best (other than pure liquid nitrogen) except for the size, noise, and cost for the unit.

Of course that's what it comes down to. Most people will be fine with their temps sort of high at 100% load. That was the only point I was trying to make.
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how you created the mockup?

I took something like 2 minutes in Photoshop while a file for a client was getting compiled.
If anything it looks horrible right now but I'll make a better one whenever I have some time.
I'll implement the airflow setup as well.
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You can't really paint tubing, it cracks. You can either cover it with something or replace it. Just a protip.

Yeah, I said paint in case somebody had a good method or a paint that would be resistant but covering it up is my best option and the one I selected since the beginning.
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Personally I'd stay away from liquid coolers for the following reasons :
1)They do nothing to cool your chipset / mobo and other components, they only cool the CPU. They add little to airflow over the board itself unlike a fan
2)Due to the fact the air vents are covered by a radiator rather than just a fan they tend to require faster spinning and louder fans to keep cool, therefore, more noise
3)You always run the risk of a pump failure or leak leading to a CPU burn out.

My personal opinion, others of course will differ. I'd just get an air cooler. I think liquid cooling is more cool factor than overall performance. Sure you can get the CPU a few degrees cooler, but with more noise and more potential failure points than a standard air based system.

1) I do agree, however the setup would be set as exhaust and my bottom fan set in push, giving better airflow and performance over air cooling. The main reason I went for this simple AIO kit is that I would hate to have a huge air cooler in my setup (I know that is fairly stupid, but since the beginning look has been important in this build) and that I do not have the money - atm - for a full custom water-cooling setup which would obviously be better performance and look wise. Cost wise, a good air cooler would cost me around 60 (no, I would not go for a 212+, I truly want quality parts while keeping a good performance / value ratio) while the AIO kit is costing me 90, not that much of a difference.

2) I'm planning on getting 2xSP120 Quiet Edition, and honestly I've seen many reviews, looked at a good number of videos and installed 2 h80i for friends and under load (DayZ maxed out for 2 hours for example) I have not considered the sound they produce loud (even though they didn't change the fans).

3) A pump failure or a leak ? That is why I went with this Corsair unit, they replace anything it harms and that for something like 5 years if I'm correct, so you could say it's not that big a deal, the only problem would be to not be able to use your computer for a certain amount of time but I have some spare parts anyway.
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There is a mod you can do by using a 1/2 inch ID tubing and cutting it like a hotdog and wrapping the stock tubes. You'll want to use a clear or white ziptie as well near the two ends to help hold it on and also keep the seam from being visible. Sleeving your cables is cheaper to do it yourself however it takes time and patience, otherwise with modular PSUs it's easy to pick those up already done.

Do you have a link to this particular mod ? Where would you buy some tubes (I live in Canada, so if possible if Canada, if not available here I can order from the US without any fees nor customs so it's okay as well, the delays would be longer though). I've a good stack of white zipties at home and white tape as well.

I am willing to learn how to sleeve, if anything that is the only downside of buying them already done, also I still have time to learn (I'm only 23 for gods sake) I would like to. The only thing is I would need to buy the tools and the sleeve, the company sleeved cables are sold from 50 to 60 (whether I go with a Hale90 V2 or an AX750), so atm I do think sleeving them myself is more expensive. I'll check into it once my order placed.
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I have to disagree.
With your first point, air coolers do nothing to cool the motherboard/chipset either unless you get one of those weird shaped ones that cool poorly.

Yes, your air vents are covered by a radiator, and you buy good fans so they don't have to spin as fast.
Yes you do run the risk of pump failure and other things. If you own a corsair unit, they replace everything that the cooler breaks. So if it leaks onto your video card and kills it, they will replace it.
Air coolers are good, but if you set up a watercooler correctly, you will get superior cooling.

What I said above basically, thanks for the confirmation wink.gif
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It comes down to what you're doing with the machine and what kind of temps you're comfortable with. It's a good better best argument as far as I'm concerned. I used a Hyper 212+ for a year before going to a CLC and my temps are far better than I was getting on air. Sure I run the risk of the pump failing but that's no different than any other possible failure a machine can have. Phase change is the best (other than pure liquid nitrogen) except for the size, noise, and cost for the unit.

I'm planning on staying with this AIO kit and then later on, approximately on the same time I'll get my second 770 get a full watercooler setup.

Thanks to all of you ô/

Edit : Mockup V2 is out wink.gif, added airflow configuration.


Edited by stnz - 6/21/13 at 11:01pm
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Just ordered from the US these little things :

Ebay (US) :
CORSAIR - Vengeance (LP) White - 2 x 4GB (CML8GX3M2A1600C9W) at 64.83 $ (CAD) (Originally 59.95 USD)
NZXT - Sleeved LED Kit (2M) White at 17.95 $ (CAD) (Originally 16.50 USD)

Placed an order on Amazon.com as well containing quite a lot of stuff (around 300$) : an external dvd drive (Asus), a stand for my macbook (the famous one that sells around 40), USB keys, a Metro Vacuum too (and that's going to be cool), iphone cables, a beard trimmer, a car mount for our iphones, an external enclosure for old laptop hard drives my girlfriend had, etc..

And these from Canada :

DirectCanada :
CORSAIR - AF120 Performance (Twinpack) at 24.35 $ (CAD)
CORSAIR - SP120 Quiet Edition (Twinpack) at 25.49 $ (CAD)
ASUS - 24B1ST DVD Writer at 18.16 $ (CAD)

My wallet is not as happy as me but I'm sure she'll be once she sees how much it's going to make me happy.
Plus I had Free Shipping on all of these items (20 to be precise), saved around 60$ (maybe more) thanks to free shipping.
Edited by stnz - 6/25/13 at 6:49am
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I'm hesitating between the Hale90 (v1) 750W and the Hale90 (v2) 850W (since there is no Hale90 (v2) 750W),
I would be powering 3770K + 2 x GTX 770, what do you guys think I should do ? I'll probably overclock.
I could get the Hale90 (v1) 750W ar around 115$, while the v2 is sadly at 180$, quite a price difference..

Also, I was thinking of sleeving it myself I do not have the time atm nor the tools to do it,
There : which cables would I need ? One of each ? The total of each comes to 50, not that bad honestly.

PS : Is it just me or PSU prices have augmented quite a few ?
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Yep, I ordered everything ! I'm about to make the build log, but I've a lot of work right now, seems it's July is the week computers, tablets and phones fails the most, lots of money for me but less time for my build :'(.

Here is the final partlist, ordered from the US and Canada,
Awaiting the main order (PSU, Mobo, Cooler, etc.)
Edited by stnz - 7/4/13 at 12:56pm
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Updated the main thread, included the final parts and their status, added thoughts on buildlog, find all this : here !
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I'd prefer Minimalistic Elegance over Minimalist Elegancy.
I'm looking forward to a buildlog!
Quote:
Originally Posted by stnz 
In conclusion, I would like to thank everybody that had the time to help me picking my parts and making my dream come true in a good way and not a crappy rig. I am truly happy with my parts so far and can't wait to build the thing (I shouldn't have a problem with that) and I am glad I waited for some deals as it reduced the overall cost quite a lot, just like ordering from the US sometimes did.
Was glad to help. smile.gif All of your parts should be solid.
Edited by Sethris225 - 7/5/13 at 12:32pm
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Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sethris225 View Post

I'd prefer Minimalistic Elegance over Minimalist Elegancy.
I'm looking forward to a buildlog!
Was glad to help. smile.gif All of your parts should be solid.

Yeah, that actually sounds better, my english is truly disappointing me sometimes, I do hope it will perfect one day though.
Oh yeah, they should be rock solid, glad I got most them at a "good" price too.
Thank you again, you're great !

PS : What about Minimalegance tongue.gif
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Dell - 2209WA Apple - Keyboard with Numeric Keypad NZXT - Hale90 V1 (750W) Fractal Design - Define R4 w/ Window (Black) 
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Razer - DeathAdder 3.5G (Black Edition) Steelseries - Qck Heavy Sennheiser - PC360 G4ME 
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i7 3820QM Apple Motherboard (2 Thunderbolts / USB 3.0) Nvidia Gefore GTX 650M Apple 8 GB DDR3L SDRAM 
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