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My college gives us the Adobe CS6 Master Suite for free, I wonder how this will impact that.

I really hate Adobe for not making this software cheaper for most students, since they will not be making much profit off of the use and are mostly trying to learn. I can definitely justify the cost for professionals.
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CS2 is free you nincompoops
http://www.adobe.com/downloads/cs2_downloads/
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Well, I'd say something about this being a free market and people having alternatives...but sadly just like with MS Office...it will be a very long time (barring something horrible taking MS the company under) before anything has a chance of replacing it; the same seems to be going on with Adobe products. People who complain about the price of a product and justify that as an excuse of piracy have no legs to stand on. If anyone is upset with Adobe's practices then you find an alternative product or you shut up. It's tiresome to listen to people complain about some change with a company's practices and then they continue to suckle at the teat. Nut up or shut up.

PS: The shut up isn't directed at anyone here but just a general disgust for consumers who aren't proactive in any actually meaningful manner.
     
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My college gives us the Adobe CS6 Master Suite for free, I wonder how this will impact that.

I really hate Adobe for not making this software cheaper for most students, since they will not be making much profit off of the use and are mostly trying to learn. I can definitely justify the cost for professionals.


When I was at university, we were given access to the Master Collection for around $300, which is a banging deal. Hard to blame Adobe for charging for their software, book costs are 2x what the master collection was. Buying one will last you all the way through college, unlike semesters of books. Actually if you think about it, a graphics art major has it pretty easy with Adobe products. Buy once (or pay a $10-$20 a month) for pretty much their entire software suite through college. Most schools give it away for free to art majors though.
 
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When I was at university, we were given access to the Master Collection for around $300, which is a banging deal. Hard to blame Adobe for charging for their software, book costs are 2x what the master collection was. Buying one will last you all the way through college, unlike semesters of books. Actually if you think about it, a graphics art major has it pretty easy with Adobe products. Buy once (or pay a $10-$20 a month) for pretty much their entire software suite through college. Most schools give it away for free to art majors though.

Not anymore -- This system will largely replace bulk licensing...
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Not anymore -- This system will largely replace bulk licensing...

I was speaking to when I was in college, tense confusion on my part. Today they probably just pay per student the monthly fee. Tuition is already 8000+ a semester, so what's 20 bucks a month?
 
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First of all, I don't know what planet you're living on but, you could NEVER EVER in the history of Adobe, resell the product and reuse the serial...NEVER. -- What you could do is buy a distribution license through a vendor and they'd give you a box/serial for whatever price they chose to charge you (Which is against Adobe policy) and "re-sell it" which is actually what happened but, you could NEVER do this with the retail product.

I purchased the entire Adobe suite not but a year ago...For myself...Pricey is an understatement. How do I save money, you ask? I'd have to pay well over $200/month as an individual to equal what my discount was to equal the same amount of product I JUST paid for. That's 4 people.

Do I need to do the math for you or, are we good?

With the subscription you get the ENTIRE SUITE and a cloud...The ENTIRE SUITE is north, retail of $6k -- How do you not save money at $50/month? You even save money at $200/month...

I save a LOT of money as an individual AND as a business.

YOU do the math. What's $6kx5? Because that's actually the bulk license discount for //everything//. I'll do it for you, $30,000 and upgrades in total would cost me 1/5 so $6,000 every 2 years.

Secondly, I already have this product as a business...Have had it since Alpha -- Have been paying for @ 3 months...I'm currently spending $70 for a TEAM - I more then likely have a special price because I've been testing the program...However, please enlighten me as to how $70x24 is more expensive then $36,000?

Even at $70/per ~ I'm in the green. $70x5x24 -- STILL SAVING MONEY.

Bulk licensing is a dream of the past...It's been getting phased out by all distributors for years...And above/beyond that brokers were setting their own prices above/beyond Adobe...

I rest my case.

The rest; I'm really over it because the vast majority of this website feels it's a "money grab" which, it actually isn't but, your opinions are your own...

Please stop putting some weird numbers which aren't part of this universe.
Lying to others and yourself won't make it true.
Please learn how to google, and how to actually do the math MR. I payed to subscribe so now I have to justify it to others.

The entire suite, master collection, is 2300$ today, not 6000$ (I have no idea where you got that number. You are seriously delusional here, or you let adobe take your money freely).
5 people will cost 11,500$, and not 30,000$.
I don't know in what universe a 2300$ is worth 6000$, but not in this one.
As a business, you can also get a small business price for a lot less (I know several who did).

If you are paying 70$ for a full 5 people seat, than yes you got a very good price. Kodos to you. 99% of people will not.
If you just got the 70$ per seat and use it for 5 people, well... I'm sure adobe at some point will take your account away, and you end up with nothing. Good luck with that one in the future. Better read on the TOS quickly (which again, I'm sure you didn't).
Also, as a business, according to the TOS, you can't have 5 accounts with adobe. Its not allowed. You can have one account and pay the 70$ / month per seat if you want to use it on more than one computer at a time.

So, 5xseats at full price. That is 4200$ a year. 70x5x12.

So if you buy the suite and use it for 5 years, you payed 11,500$. Per year its 2300$.
But as you so love to subscribe, you are paying 21,000$, almost twice the price.

You did not save money in anyway. Its simple math, which you keep failing at.
Even if you upgraded once, you just add 5000$ upgrade price to the mix (1000$ per upgrade, even though you could buy it for just 400$ a few months ago). Which ends in 17,000$ for 5 years, or 3,400$ a year. Still less than 4200$.

Also, as adobe demands you use just one account, once you stop paying, you are losing all your licenses. Also your private one. Isn't that a peach?
I bet you did not read the TOS and just went "omg its just 50$ yay yay its cheap!".

And of course you do not "remember" that the price of the suite box was a lot lower than 2300$ just a month ago. The price went way up since there are no new box sets anymore.
You could buy it for 1700$ or less, and upgrade for 400$. This makes the prices a hell of a lot cheaper.

And, yes you could sell your CS suite. At least up to CS5.5. Its even backed up by the EULA of those box suites. The CS6 you have to register with a adobe ID and connect the serial to the adobe ID, so its tricky.
If you did buy the CS 5.5 as a business with a OEM business license, its another matter and you can't re-sell.

The very fact that you keep saying 6K$ for a suite, makes you a complete untrustworthy poster. It just cost 2300$. And if you are a student, oh boy. Just 1000$.
Yeah, 6000$. Give me a break.

I rest my case.
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I was speaking to when I was in college, tense confusion on my part. Today they probably just pay per student the monthly fee. Tuition is already 8000+ a semester, so what's 20 bucks a month?

For a business, especially educational business like college, they are use an adobe broker who gives them a special price.
They are not paying 8000x20 a month. They are paying a hell of a lot less, as for adobe its great that they are teaching adobe products, and the price will motivate it.
If they would be required to pay 160,000 a month, there would not be a single college teaching adobe software, anywhere.
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Wow a lot of people are against the cloud! I have personally used both formats. At Uni I used a full student subscription, and then in employment I cherry picked the software I needed (DW and PS) on a PAYG basis. This saved me loads in the long run. I think they should have stuck with this.
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Oh boy. We sure did get heated up a bit with this.

I see a few recurring logic fallacies and I'd like to point them out:

1. Arguing that this is cheap because other things (like tuition fees or university manuals) are very expensive is not constructive. There's a saying that goes: two wrongs don't make a right and while I don't fully agree with it in this case I believe it works.

2. Arguing that software was never bought but licensed is practically incorrect. In the good old days they could not remove your right to install and use the software outside of patches that invalidated the CD Key, or legal orders from competent institutions.

This whole "we can invalidate your license by remote at any time (because we feel like it)" thing is a modern construct which while always theoretically possible it was never implemented until recently.

The more prevailing aspect of this is the fact that power is being forfeited by the consumer in favor of the company. Nobody does expect a wide unjustified banning of accounts or licenses but it only needs to happen to you and then you're in a legal gray area where it's hard to get out.

Just like with SimCity 5 servers could be unavailable. Should you find yourself in the situation of not being able to complete a project and missing a deadline or contract because their hardware wasn't working that day what do you do? Find solace in the fact that maybe you can sue them?

Autonomy and longevity are two very desired things in today's technological world. What they're doing is taking things in the opposite direction.
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