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That argument assumes he saved all his images as PSDs. He can always pay the $20 to use the software the month he needs to. Its not like the photos disappear when the sub runs out or that he can never use the software again. Pay the $20 and fire it back up any time in the future with a fully updated, current version of PS. No need to transfer serial numbers or anything, just sign in, pay, and do your stuff.

The guys using CS4 can still use CS4. You *could* download CS2 today and use it. If photography is the person's career then the $20 a month is nothing, certainly not compared to the other expenses of photography. The paradigm shift that Adobe has created with photography has made post processing essential to extracting every last detail from the captured pixels, it is extremely hard to make an argument that that tech is not worth the $20 per month. tongue.gif

You are right. He can pay that 20$.
Over 10 years you payed 2400$ to use the same software which used to cost a one time 400$. So why not fork 20$? We are all made of money.

CS2 is a good example. It does not support many features of CS4 layers. So his PSD files will not load correctly.
What if you made a PSD, saved all the layers, many layers, complicated file, and you want to pay those 20$ to open the file, and than realized there was a change, and your PSD does not open correctly.
You can't roll back to a version of adobe cloud which does support your file. You are stuck, since you can't have the latest version you worked with.

I agree that adobe are making a great tech. But people were willing to pay the 150$ upgrade every few years if they needed something. Now you will pay no matter if you need a new tech or not. Do you need a new small feature you never heard about and never use, another font you will never use.
You are now paying for more than what you need. Constantly.

There is more bad than good.
Its very good to a person who keeps needing the very latest, all the features, everything.
But there are so few who actually use every aspect of adobe, all those small features. 90% of users could have stayed in an earlier version without problems. Very few actually use features which came out in the last 2 years.

So eventually, adobe is forcing you to upgrade, if you want to or not, they force you to keep paying no matter if your current version is fine for you, and they take away your choice.

And on top of that, you pay more.
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You are right. He can pay that 20$.
Over 10 years you payed 2400$ to use the same software which used to cost a one time 400$. So why not fork 20$? We are all made of money.

CS2 is a good example. It does not support many features of CS4 layers. So his PSD files will not load correctly.
What if you made a PSD, saved all the layers, many layers, complicated file, and you want to pay those 20$ to open the file, and than realized there was a change, and your PSD does not open correctly.
You can't roll back to a version of adobe cloud which does support your file. You are stuck, since you can't have the latest version you worked with.

I agree that adobe are making a great tech. But people were willing to pay the 150$ upgrade every few years if they needed something. Now you will pay no matter if you need a new tech or not. Do you need a new small feature you never heard about and never use, another font you will never use.
You are now paying for more than what you need. Constantly.

There is more bad than good.
Its very good to a person who keeps needing the very latest, all the features, everything.
But there are so few who actually use every aspect of adobe, all those small features. 90% of users could have stayed in an earlier version without problems. Very few actually use features which came out in the last 2 years.

So eventually, adobe is forcing you to upgrade, if you want to or not, they force you to keep paying no matter if your current version is fine for you, and they take away your choice.

And on top of that, you pay more.

Its not the same software. He would be using a decade old software suite that may not even be supported by whatever OS he is using ten years from now. We may all be on ARM architecture for all I know. Again, if someone is very cost sensitive then they can always look for free applications or use an older CS package.

Your other point of PSD compatibility is a different topic all together. I'd hope Adobe would make conversions for future cloud changes so people can update legacy formats, but that's an entirely different discussion.

This hypothetical photographer that only opens his photos every 4 years is pretty funny to talk about though tongue.gif
 
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Its not the same software. He would be using a decade old software suite that may not even be supported by whatever OS he is using ten years from now. We may all be on ARM architecture for all I know. Again, if someone is very cost sensitive then they can always look for free applications or use an older CS package.

Your other point of PSD compatibility is a different topic all together. I'd hope Adobe would make conversions for future cloud changes so people can update legacy formats, but that's an entirely different discussion.

This hypothetical photographer that only opens his photos every 4 years is pretty funny to talk about though tongue.gif

On that same OS notion, what if you don't want to get rid of your 4 years old computer and it still works fine and fast enough?
Do you have to upgrade your hardware if you want to keep using CC? And if you don't upgrade, adobe will take away your ID which you have been paying for 4-5-10 years? Or just say "well, tough, we don't care"?
Before you could choose not to upgrade hardware and software. Now you might even have to. Right now CC doesn't support vista, or IOS older than 10.7. Next it will not support 10.7. So what do you do? Have to upgrade?

Regarding the photographer opening an image every 4 years, its not really so uncommon.
Some make a great photo and keep selling it for years (I know a couple who keep selling a certain photo for over 6 years now). It might come a time they decide to change the signature for example, or do something else with parts of the photo, to remember how they did something in photoshop.
Its really not uncommon.

Its a slippery slope. You can't stop at some point. You can only hope there is no endless pit at the end of it.
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A lot of software products have been moving towards subscription or metered services, rather than a complete license. If I wanted to make money from a software product I would definitely consider it.

Whether or not it's good for the consumer is another question. I think more and more people expect to be able to access their data from anywhere, so I can only see this type of 'cloud' service being more common in the future.
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Looks like Corel is trying to capitalize on this: http://www.corel.com/corel/pages/index.jsp?pgid=14900014
 
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Photoshop® CS6 Extended
Illustrator® CS6
InDesign® CS6
Acrobat® X Pro
Flash® Professional CS6
Flash Builder® 4.6 Premium Edition
Dreamweaver® CS6
Fireworks® CS6
Adobe Premiere® Pro CS6
After Effects® CS6
Adobe Audition® CS6
SpeedGrade™ CS6
Prelude™ CS6
Encore® CS6
Bridge CS6
Media Encoder CS6

If you think that's all we, as developers actually get, for what we pay, for -- I can't help you.

Sorry.

The new subscription schematic saves me, as a business owner and individual, a tremendous amount of money, yearly. Period, done, end, no argument.

I rest my case.

Dude, all of those programs are part of CS6.

How did you get to the $6000 price point? By purchasing them separately?

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Dude, all of those programs are part of CS6.

How did you get to the $6000 price point? By purchasing them separately?


He probably just made it up.

http://store1.adobe.com/cfusion/store/html/index.cfm?event=displayProduct&categoryOID=7240484&store=OLS-US
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832105995
http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-65167117-CS6-Master-Collection/dp/B007R0RJRS
 
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Pretty sure everyone is missing the fact that you only get the lower monthly rate if you agree to a contract. The cancel anytime option is like $10 more per month, so instead of paying $19.99 for just photoshop you have to pay $29.99 per month if you dont want to be tied into contract
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Not much into photo manipulation, but...

What exactly can Photoshop do that Paintshop can't? How about Gimp? From my understanding the same filters you have for Photoshop you can get for free for Gimp, and already come with Paintshop....

Actually I work on both Photoshop and Paintshop, they both are great piece of software but I find Paintshop better and easier and well, I know it's because I am not a professional (yes a noob) who needs all the complicated stuff on the Photoshop. smile.gif
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He also claimed he is getting 5 seats for 70$ / month.

Most likely he is either a troll or adobe "super-fan".
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