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I only upgrade when enough of the programs I personally use get upgraded in a way I will personally benefit from. Sometimes that means upgrading to the next version, sometimes it means skipping 3 or 4 in a row.

I had to buy CS4 in college...got a little bit of a deal on it, but it was still pricey. I will run that software for the rest of all time. Adobe would need to come out with something really special for me to think about upgrading.
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I had to buy CS4 in college...got a little bit of a deal on it, but it was still pricey. I will run that software for the rest of all time. Adobe would need to come out with something really special for me to think about upgrading.

Content-aware is "pretty special", in that it can save you a truckload of time.

Well.. if it actually worked. rolleyes.gif

(also, you would need a time-truck for this statement to hold any water... oh, and a bucket for the water)
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I think Adobe thinks the software is only meant for professional use, but I feel the software holds a lot of value to a hobbyist. However, not a lot of people are willing to spend that much for a piece of software they use for a couple hours every few weekends. I mean it is almost like a PC game to a lot of people...I don't think there are a lot of people who would spend $600 on a PC game.

It really is a perfect fir for the whole freeware bit...free for home use, but a license is needed for business use. If only that distribution model could be enforced.

That's not true.

I've been dealing w/Adobe since...God, 6.0 -- So, 1999.

I started as a student in HS -- Emailed them, was given a student discount and have used them ever since.

Adobe's market, however, is the professional or soon to be professional.

Practically every magazine in the world uses some form of Adobe product...No joke...Practically every internet magazine does as well...Professionals rely on this product.

Student discounts and whatever else they give away these days is just an attempt to hook you into using it eventually as a professional.

Thus why the entire lineup of Elements was created...And it's actually a nice product.

In truth, the closest comparison to Adobe is Quark...and Quark is a massive buggy crap-show that, unless you're trained in it, good luck.

The truth is that Adobe went from being just an image base to an entire publishing suite and that suite is now the gold standard for all forms of publishing from paper --> internet.

As I said before, I'm in the beta -- I actually use practically the entire array -- In fact as I type this I'm finishing an ad for a customer that required Fireworks, Literoom, CS6, Illustrator and Dreamweaver...

The cloud allows me to simplify that process and allows me to give a client creative access to that piece...I'd almost pay for the cloud exclusively, to be 100% because of the linking it offers to all of their products.

I was originally against it but, now that I'm using it...I personally think it's among the best inventions since sliced bread...
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That's not true.

I've been dealing w/Adobe since...God, 6.0 -- So, 1999.

I started as a student in HS -- Emailed them, was given a student discount and have used them ever since.

Adobe's market, however, is the professional or soon to be professional.

Practically every magazine in the world uses some form of Adobe product...No joke...Practically every internet magazine does as well...Professionals rely on this product.

Student discounts and whatever else they give away these days is just an attempt to hook you into using it eventually as a professional.

Thus why the entire lineup of Elements was created...And it's actually a nice product.

In truth, the closest comparison to Adobe is Quark...and Quark is a massive buggy crap-show that, unless you're trained in it, good luck.

The truth is that Adobe went from being just an image base to an entire publishing suite and that suite is now the gold standard for all forms of publishing from paper --> internet.

As I said before, I'm in the beta -- I actually use practically the entire array -- In fact as I type this I'm finishing an ad for a customer that required Fireworks, Literoom, CS6, Illustrator and Dreamweaver...

The cloud allows me to simplify that process and allows me to give a client creative access to that piece...I'd almost pay for the cloud exclusively, to be 100% because of the linking it offers to all of their products.

I was originally against it but, now that I'm using it...I personally think it's among the best inventions since sliced bread...

What's not true? That there aren't probably millions of people out there that are using it, or would like to use it, for hobby reasons? I don't know a single person that uses it for their job(but then I don't hang out those types), but I hear people say quite often, "Oh, I'll fix that picture at home with photoshop", or something to that effect.

Adobe seems to only cater toward the professional community and set their pricing accordingly. I am just saying that there is a huge market they could easily tap on if they offered a more hobbyist friendly licensing option or a cheaper stripped down version that contained the more medium level functions that a hobbyist would use...and perhaps even a free version of all the basic functions to wet some one's appetite.
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CS2 is free btw...
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CS2 is free btw...

Oh really? I was not aware of that...perhaps that what I hear people talking about using all the time. Heh, I was always assuming they had pirated it since I know them and I am quite sure they wouldn't not have actually purchased it with the normal price tag.

I've never used a version before CS4...I will have to see how much functionality CS2 has.


LOL...I love the message on the CS2 download page.

So they are giving it away, but only to the people that legitimately purchased it.
Edited by Vagrant Storm - 5/7/13 at 6:56am
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CS2 is free btw...
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Oh really? I was not aware of that...perhaps that what I hear people talking about using all the time. Heh, I was always assuming they had pirated it since I know them and I am quite sure they wouldn't not have actually purchased it with the normal price tag.




I've never used a version before CS4...I will have to see how much functionality CS2 has.
http://www.adobe.com/downloads/cs2_downloads/
 
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A new CS is released every 2 years between $1,300 and $2,600.

$50/month for 12 months = $600 = $1,200 for the bi-yearly release cycle of old CS.


So technically you're saving money at the minimum and aren't tied into the product completely if you ever stop making content for whatever reason that may be ( injury or just lost interest ).

How can anyone be mad at that? Oh wait, this is the internet where people just want a reason to hop on a hate bandwagon. rolleyes.gif

Also this is quite old news, the subscription move have been known about for a while.

And honestly, if you're doing this as a profession and can't make at least $50/month then you need a new job or even 'profitable' hobby.


And to current owners of CS3 or later you get a pretty awesome nearly half off discount for the first year.

Your calculations are completely incorrect and you are seriously miss-leading.

If you upgrade every 2 years, you are not buying a completely new software.
You buy an upgrade, which cost a hell of a lot less.

This means that if you had CS5 and upgraded to CS6, you payed just 199$ and can keep using the software until you either die of old age, or until the OS doesn't support it any more. Which should take at least several good years to come.
If you had the complete suit, you payed just 399$.

Now, instead of paying just once, you have to pay every month a 20$ fee per application (or 50$ per suit). If you just want photoshop for example, this ends up to 480$ per 2 years. The full suit will cost 1200$.
And once you don't want to pay, you can't use it anymore. So you are left with nothing.

So you are definitely not saving anything. You pay more to get less. You get ripped off.
For current users, they are completely getting ripped a new one. They are going to pay a hell of a lot more to get the same thing.

I grant that new users will just don't have to pay up the large initial cost, but they still will just end up with nothing once they want to stop paying the subscription.

Some people are still using CS3. Even if they payed for the extended the full price of 999$, which came out at 2007, they still own it and can still use it.
If they had to pay the 20$ a month fee to keep using it, they would have to pay 1200$ by now, and they won't own anything at all.
They could have even pay to upgrade to CS6 and still only have to pay less. If they got the normal version for 649$ and upgrade from CS3 to CS6 every 2 years, they would still pay less. And that is if they payed the full price and not discount prices which come out every once in a while.

Adobe just want people to pay more money, and reduce the initial pay but on the other hand force you to "pay or lose it", so you can't go to another product in the fear or losing what you have now, because of licensing and using your edited photos and layers in another product.

In other words - adobe just took a big dump on their customers. Big corporations will not care. Small and independent ones will care. A lot.
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post #59 of 189
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What's not true? That there aren't probably millions of people out there that are using it, or would like to use it, for hobby reasons? I don't know a single person that uses it for their job(but then I don't hang out those types), but I hear people say quite often, "Oh, I'll fix that picture at home with photoshop", or something to that effect.

Adobe seems to only cater toward the professional community and set their pricing accordingly. I am just saying that there is a huge market they could easily tap on if they offered a more hobbyist friendly licensing option or a cheaper stripped down version that contained the more medium level functions that a hobbyist would use...and perhaps even a free version of all the basic functions to wet some one's appetite.

The professional market for the suite itself, is staggering.

Dreamweaver is practically the gold standard for web development -- Fireworks is irreplaceable on the market -- Lightroom is brilliant in it's own right -- Add onto that illustrator which is practically the best publishing software you can buy...Premier is slowly becoming the standard for professional video editing (which is an incredibly hard market)...

This is a professional product, marketed to the professionals FOR the professionals...The fact that hobbyists use it is why Adobe Elements was created.

The professional community is where they make their money...A full suite install is somewhere between $10k-$20k...Which is part of the reason why the subscription process is creating such a positive buzz...Especially in this economy.

If you can't afford the professional product, there is an elements product available...That's why they were created...It's $100...And students pay like $50...

I don't know what to tell you other then, it's worth every cent and the rate from students --> professionals that purchase the product after school is in the high 80%'s...

The piracy rate (Which again, in Cs4 they published the #'s) was over 80%, thus the price-hikes but, once again, they're still in business because the professionals, pay.
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Adobe just want people to pay more money, and reduce the initial pay but on the other hand force you to "pay or lose it", so you can't go to another product in the fear or losing what you have now, because of licensing and using your edited photos and layers in another product.

Blind leading the blind. rolleyes.gif

Wait for the full details because the OP article isn't exactly accurate.
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What's not true? That there aren't probably millions of people out there that are using it, or would like to use it, for hobby reasons? I don't know a single person that uses it for their job(but then I don't hang out those types), but I hear people say quite often, "Oh, I'll fix that picture at home with photoshop", or something to that effect.

Adobe seems to only cater toward the professional community and set their pricing accordingly. I am just saying that there is a huge market they could easily tap on if they offered a more hobbyist friendly licensing option or a cheaper stripped down version that contained the more medium level functions that a hobbyist would use...and perhaps even a free version of all the basic functions to wet some one's appetite.

this, so true. maybe the only reason they don't do this is to force everyone to pay for the pro version, with features they don't really need. and then they complain about the massive piracy rate, lol
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