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what other good programs are out there other than P(o)S?
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I was actually discussing the entire publishing suite in it's entirety for a business...Which, is the actual licensing agreement...I've had my broker for @ 14 years...

Anyway, most of the costs I see are not accurate representations of the actual costs...This is a link to the ACTUAL cost page: http://www.adobe.com/products/creativecloud/buying-guide.html

The creative cloud, in itself, is worth the investment, IMHO and you'll come to find that the vast majority of professionals in the industry, agree with me.

Above/beyond that, this "suite" comes with an entire army of licensed fonts...Something that cost many of us, legitimate businesses, THOUSANDS of dollars/year; particularly publishers.

$50/month gives you the entire creative suite which, is actually well under what it costs...Beyond that, you can now have CS-whatever for $240/year...

Once again, as a professional that uses the entire suite, daily -- This is irreplaceable and as a beta tester of this service -- It's well worth the cost, the cloud alone is actually worth the cost.

Really don't care if the "hobbyist" disagrees because this product isn't designed for the "hobbyist"...

I disagree with you on this.

As a private professional, you pay 50$/month, and you don't keep the software. That is the major issue. No payment = no software.
This means that for the end of times, no matter what, you will still have to pay 50$ if adobe doesn't increase the price, ever, if you still want to edit your files. Once you stop paying, your photoshop files, are as good as junk files.
Go explain that to a photographer from 40 years ago, telling him "you remember that negative you bought a year ago? give me 20$ or you can't use it".

Also, you don't look at the team price. Today, you can buy one application of the suite, and use it up to 3 computers.
Now, to use it at the same time on 3 computers, you need to buy the team suite, which is 70$ per computer.
This means that if you want to use the full suite on your main computer, your assistant on another, and a trainee on a third, you are not paying 240$/year. Its 210$/month.

You are not looking at the fine print my friend. You think its nice to suddenly have the whole suite, but once you stop, you can't use your files. Or if another suite from a competitor comes out which is better, you can't move to it, because you are locked with adobe.

For a professional photographer, 50$ a month isn't much. But as long as he pay adobe, and as long as adobe keeps the original price, he doesn't pay less in the long run.

Also you are completely forgetting the fact that you are still locked with adobe. You say 50$ / month is fine. What about 60$? What about 100$? What about 120$?
Once everyone goes subscription, and as the suite is the only standard today in the industry, what prevents them from increasing the price?

Hell, they can go to 1000$ a month. Why shouldn't they care? You can't go to another suite. I dare you switch to another product.
This is the main problem. You think 50$ is fine, but you are blinding yourself to the consequences.


Personally, I'm also a photographer.
I bought the CS5, and upgraded to CS6. I also own LR4 and will upgrade to 5.
I don't need nor want to pay 20$ a month to use the CS6. I want to buy it, and keep it as much as I want. To use it at home once I stop being a photographer, to use it 10 years from now, or 20, without paying 4800$ over that course of time for something which cost 650$.
The same as I bought windows, the same as I bought a rMBP, the same as I buy a stand alone game, the same as I buy a CPU. I don't want to pay overpriced subscription to something I should own, not rent.
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I like Creative Cloud, I used to get PS the "not legal" way, the subscription model lessens the burden of the upfront costs. Also for the Gimp is just as good, just as good for Digital yes maybe but, last time I used it I could remember CMYK support was not there at all. Although I still prefer Inkscape to Illustrator even though no CMYK.

Also anyone should note I consider Adobe products to be business software, paying a recurring fee for a product in the business world is nothing new, some still want you to pay per logical core rolleyes.gif plus huge upfront costs... its not that bad wheee.gif


Edit: Holy bad grammar Batman, Also like to add maybe this could be a chance for Corel to get off its laurels?
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I like Creative Cloud, I used to get PS the "not legal" way, the subscription model lessens the burden of the upfront costs. Also for the Gimp is just as good, just as good for Digital yes maybe but, last time I used it I could remember CMYK support was not there at all. Although I still prefer Inkscape to Illustrator even though no CMYK.

Also anyone should note I consider Adobe products to be business software, paying a recurring fee for a product in the business world is nothing new, some still want you to pay per logical core rolleyes.gif plus huge upfront costs... its not that bad wheee.gif


Edit: Holy bad grammar Batman, Also like to add maybe this could be a chance for Corel to get off its laurels?

Not bad yeah, but depends on how you look at it.

A person X wants to buy the suite for work. Lets say he works for 10 years. He is an independent photographer or web editor.

If he starts now with subscriptions, he has to pay only 50$ a month to get everything. Over 10 years, its 6000$. A lot of money, but of course its over 10 years.
On the other hand, if he could buy the software and upgrade on his own every 2 years when a new version is out, he pays the 2500$ for a master suite, and 550$ per upgrade, which is 4600$ in total over 10 years (initial buy + 4 updates).

So you pay 2400$ more, so you can feel better with yourself that you pay only 50$ a month.

2400$ can get you:
2x titans + spare.
3xgtx 780 + spare.
a new motherboard, 1000$ cpu and upgrade it at least twice.
If you are a photographer, a new superior lens.
A new rMBP 15" when it new ones come out.
A puppy and feed it for 10 years.
A couple of months of rent (maybe a whole year, depends on where you live).

And more and more.

its like buying the most expensive thing you can't afford and just pay it with payments and you don't "feel" that you are paying for it. I don't get those people who are so blind.

This also doesn't take in account the very fact that after 10 years, you no longer able to use the adobe software.
While buying allows you to keep using to as an amateur, or just for fun, subscription is "pay or get lost".
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post #75 of 189
It seemed the CEO didn't care what anyone thought about them implementing this software as of a few months ago. Doesn't anyone remember this?

http://www.engadget.com/2013/02/14/adobe-ceo-dodges-pricing-questions/
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OMG weirdsmiley.gif ...Nnnooooo wth.gif ... This pisses me off madsmiley.png

Well, I guess I'll be using CS6 for a long time hmmsmiley02.gif
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I'm paying $20 a month so my kid can use the Creative software for his photo and film classes in college. Plus I can write it off as an educational expense. Icing on the cake is that I get a backup copy on my PC. thumb.gif Good deal in my book.
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I suppose from Adobes point of view, they are trying to give the best of both worlds to the consumer professional and organisation level, but the consumer hobbyist suffers as a result. In my opinion, a lot of designers and creativeness start as the hobbyist who needs such software to then be able to not only create some kind of portfolio, but also importantly these days, show proficiency in actually using the software.

Also, has anyone noticed the pricing structure for countries outside of North America? The NA 'Complete - annual' for example costs $49.99, however, in the UK it costs £46.88 ($71.98 as of today's exchange, a 53.5% mark-up). Considering its software and mostly nowadays distributed digitally, why such a hefty price jump (unless I'm seeing things wrong)?
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I suppose from Adobes point of view, they are trying to give the best of both worlds to the consumer professional and organisation level, but the consumer hobbyist suffers as a result. In my opinion, a lot of designers and creativeness start as the hobbyist who needs such software to then be able to not only create some kind of portfolio, but also importantly these days, show proficiency in actually using the software.

Also, has anyone noticed the pricing structure for countries outside of North America? The NA 'Complete - annual' for example costs $49.99, however, in the UK it costs £46.88 ($71.98 as of today's exchange, a 53.5% mark-up). Considering its software and mostly nowadays distributed digitally, why such a hefty price jump (unless I'm seeing things wrong)?

Don't even start with overseas price jumps. Australia gets wrecked.

Anywho, from Adobe's point of view it will stop piracy, if they come out with amazing new tools, people who have the software pirated might stomach the price. But if the next Adobe's don't receive mad updates, I don't see all fo the pirates moving.

I for one wont upgrade to new software (AE, PS, AI & ID) unless they have wicked new tools. I love CS6 at the moment. So I wont stomach the price for CS7. (legit copy btw)
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If this software was more reasonably priced I think there would be more people willing to pay for a legit copy. Obviously it is there software they can do what they want. Though they definitely keep it out of reach for the casual user.
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