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No you can't turn off metro with the final Win8 (unless you get something like Start8). I was just making a general statement though.
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Originally Posted by Majin SSJ Eric View Post

No you can't turn off metro with the final Win8 (unless you get something like Start8). I was just making a general statement though.

I see, well that is poopy. And maybe my statement was not well written. What I meant to say was that I was able to tell windows to look and feel like win7 (minus the start bar of course). Are you still not able to do that in the final release? No "classic version"?
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I like Windows 8 on my netbook, it goes well with the albeit crap specs, so it performs really smoothly.
Also it looks good with the sleek styling of the Dell Mini 10.
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I think the problem is that no one wanted to make the switch when they already had Windows 7. It's still compatible with all the hardware so why switch.
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Originally Posted by Raven Dizzle View Post

You're wrong, I'm right. The desktop loads as soon as the computer does; the hard drive spinning up when you click on it after idle is called being freaking idle. Just stop. You're oblivious, completely, to how it works. I've been using it since last January. I know exactly how it's working; and you DO know you could end/restart explorer.exe in 7, vista and XP, right? Sigh...I'd be tempted to call you an expletive that would hint at your lack of knowledge on the topic, but that'd get me an infraction. When you actually PROVE something with TECHNICAL KNOWLEDGE of how it works, only then may you speak on it. Until then, stop babbling on what you've read on Wikipedia. Your hole is about to reach China, sir.

Now, as I said, taking my correct knowledge and leaving this conversation, and you, in the hole you dug, as well as my block list. Goodbye rolleyes.gif

You seriously are misinforned, and his thing is proven..Do what he said, on Windows 8 too. You missed his entire point as well...
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Originally Posted by 3930K View Post

It's not doing worse than Vista, it's sold as many as Win 7! (In 6 months)

They've sold that many licenses, how many of those licenses have been then sold to consumers? Usage statistics are under Vista, for sure..Especially since sales have dropped off sharply since launch.
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I was talking about the OS itself, but I still think your numbers are high.

I've run stripped down XP on 256MiB machines without any issues, and 2k can run well, doing mostly the same things as XP, with as little as 128MiB of memory installed. Neither OS needs anywhere near 512MiB to be fast and responsive.

I've never seen XP fast on 256MiB RAM, and I've stripped it right down and got it working on machines well under-spec. (A Cyrix CPU rated at the speed of a 150Mhz Pentium for example)

And yes, it may run fine if you only open Explorer or something but that's not actually running fine...It's not what you'd do in the real world even on a machine of that vintage.
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Originally Posted by PhantomTaco View Post

I don't think I'll ever understand enthusiast reaction to change.

"Why do you guys hate square wheels? The old style round wheels are ancient! You're just scared of change!"

I'm happy for change when it's actually beneficial...Or if I can just not use it.
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Originally Posted by ghostrider85 View Post

i think it's just about "jumping on the bandwagon"
everyone seems to hate it, so.., i might as well hate it.

..Or there's actual reason to hate it. This is by far the weakest argument I've had come up again and again.
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Not trying to start a flame war (and didn't go through the threads to see if one has already started), but can you name a few? Me, I only use Win8 for programming in VS 2012 while at work, and browsing/gaming/doing homework while at home. I see absolutely nothing "wrong" with Win8. Admittedly, I didn't like the new start menu when I first used it, but after using it for about 4 months, I actually think the Win7 start menu is "weird" whenever I go back to it. Aside from the start menu though, I found no difference between Win7 and Win8.

To each his own, right?

I don't doubt that many users (such as yourself) have problems *outside* of the start menu, but for everyone else who actually only dislike Win8 for its start menu, here's my reaction:

It's great apart from the start menu, and if you're going to facepalm because what works for you doesn't work for everyone else..well...Yeah. The way you (Or anyone) uses an OS is not universal, everyone is different...I know for me the Win8 start menu is a step back, you have to relearn a bunch of things to (At best) end up equal in speed and usability compared to WIn7. You put effort in for absolutely no gain.
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Originally Posted by Majin SSJ Eric View Post

There are legitimate reasons to dislike WIn8 from a productivity standpoint but only if you are a true power user (which most people on OCN claim to be rolleyes.gif ) but you have to be trying to do things well beyond the realm of the typical home entertainment PC to run into them and even still they aren't fatal flaws but mere annoyances IMO.

Exactly.
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Originally Posted by Majin SSJ Eric View Post

I think what people are missing is that MS didn't fail with the metro UI. They failed when they tried to force it on people. Adding an option to turn metro on or off is simply what they should've done from the beginning....

Exactly.
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I'm happy for change when it's actually beneficial...Or if I can just not use it.

Maybe it is beneficial, just not for you. I don't think that a deeply nested menu is all that beneficial for finding applications, but I'm sure some poor soul likes it.
    
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Windows 8 is essentially a great OS and there are improvements over Windows 7. All MS need to do is give users a choice between Metro and Classic interface which is what the will be doing, however it is something they should have done from the start. 

This.

MS took a big chance. They wanted Win8 desktop to be just like tablet Win8. That way users switch seamlessly between the two. It was a big gamble and it doesn't appear to have worked.
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This.

MS took a big chance. They wanted Win8 desktop to be just like tablet Win8. That way users switch seamlessly between the two. It was a big gamble and it doesn't appear to have worked.

Of course it wouldn't work. It's supposed to be the Other way around. 10 years ago I had Win98 on 13" 800x600 monitor. Standard start menu and windows worked fine. No reason they wouldn't work on todays tablets and netbooks, most of which have superior displays. It just needed a *minor* facelift to be touch-compatible.

And what did they do?
Try to re-invent the wheel. Never worked for anyone, never will, they were idiots to try it.
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MS took a big chance. They wanted Win8 desktop to be just like tablet Win8. That way users switch seamlessly between the two. It was a big gamble and it doesn't appear to have worked.

Of course it didn't work. If they wanted this seamless context switching they would have needed to go 100% Metro. Instead, they've shoehorned it into the OS and ended up with a far less than seamless context switching between the two platforms, and even within the desktop platform. If you're going to "reinvent" your product, you had best do it properly or not at all. In Microsoft's case they really should not have done it at all, or at the very least had a separate business edition. There is too much investment in old paradigms to throw it all away at once, despite the fact that those old paradigms are hurting MS in other areas.
    
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I agree that 8 is good but they should have given the user options. I for one miss the old start menu. I would love to use both Metro and classic natively without having to install third party apps. Also, boot to desktop is big one for me. I don't like booting to the start menu full screen.

Personally, I wish they worked on Windows Media Center frown.gif
I want to be able to start right at WMC with 8 like its on 7 on my HTPC. Also, would love to get some bug fixing (WMC has many bugs that I encounter that are pretty frustrating). Nothing major but they should at least get a group to work on it a bit. rolleyes.gif
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