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No, but wanting to open up a small program to do a couple things while I watch a video is too much to ask for windows 8 to do. Each time I want to open up a program (even if it's just a small one like HW Monitor that I use every once in a while) requires me to go to the start screen, open the program, then resume my task. THAT is annoying.

the point is, I want my CURRENT screen to be there, while also opening another program, without interupting what I'm doing, like if I were to be watching a video. I don't want to have to PAUSE the video, go to the start screen, open the program I want, then go back to watching my video.

The start screen being a SCREEN in itself, is not suitable for multi tasking, at all.

If you don't like shortcuts on the new home screen, pin them to the task bar. Use win+r, win+x for everything else.
Admittedly I hate the full screen metro apps like system settings and image viewer, but on a desktop there are an infinite number of ways that take no more than 5 mins of your time to get around all that. I've never used any metro apps on my desktop, and I have pretty much forgotten the home screen is even a thing cos I boot straight to desktop using scheduling.
And the touch interface certainly works, I've been using it on an ASUS tab with win pro, multitasking and everything else is fine, once you learn which gestures to use. It's no more difficult or time consuming to learn than when you first picked up android, or osx.

Pinning that many apps to the taskbar is stupid. I litterally only need two items pinned to my taskbar. Steam and Waterfox. Every other program shouldn't be pinned to it, since they are lesser programs, and I would hate hitting one by accident and having to wait for it to load before I could kill it (like photoshop, media player, etc)

You really think I would enjoy pinning 30 or so programs to my task bar to avoid the start screen? Seriously, are you comparing a tablet to a PC? YES the touch interface works. I use a PC NO TOUCH SCREEN NO BUENO for windows 8.

What I'm saying is this. I have a bunch of apps I use irregularly. I also watch a lot of tv shows on my pc. I don't want to stop watching a show just to open up a little monitor app, or check on other programs to mess around with while I'm watching my shows, just because Microsoft decided an in your face, full screen, distraction of a start screen was a good idea.

It's GARBAGE on a computer. On a tablet, it's FINE it's a freaking tablet. It's not meant to multi task to the level that PC's do.
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This. I feel like bad public opinion stemming from the media's only focusing on the start menu has made many think it's a terrible OS. This is more or less just another one. I don't see any articles posted on OCN about the better parts of 8, and I know they exist.

It's actually awesome. I run it everyday on my main rig and I would never go back to 7. Windows 8 is just so much faster and just a better experience in general. I urge everyone to at least try it for a week or so before shooting it down. Just because it is different does not mean it's worse.

I agree 100% and I would probably move to 8, except I am so fast with workflow at the moment in 7 because of using XP and up. So when creating things, I'm so much faster, I'd love to move to 8 but I'm not a fan of the "8" or "Metro" interface. My familt has it and I've used it extensivley, I'm just not sold on it.

It is faster in terms of performance and etc, I agree with you 100%.

Thing is, most people just bashed it without trying it, I've tried it, I like everything about it except the "Metro or 8" interface.

Likewise I agree. If they made Metro an OPTION, and let us keep the standard start menu, I'd be happy. (Oh, and let us keep Aero. I like the transparent borders and all that eye candy. Was a bit pissed off when they took it out of windows 8)
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I put my taskbar on the side, and pin all the apps I use on a daily basis. Works fine for me, and lets the taskbar (normally wasted space) double as a launcher. I might invoke the start menu once a day.
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MS put Metro (or whatever it's called) in Server 2012, and not just the Essentials version. It's there in the Datacenter version, too. Because of that breathtaking lapse in judgment, I'm not sure if they're smart enough to make it optional.
    
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MS put Metro (or whatever it's called) in Server 2012. Because of that breathtaking lapse in judgment, I'm not sure if they're smart enough to make it optional.
Yeah, I was excited about trying the new 2012 builds (I'm a system engineer at my job) but after about 5 minutes of being unable to find even the most basic of settings, that have been in the same place for 20 years (important when you have 500 machines from NT Server to 2008r2) I gave up and decided there will be no 2012 machines where I work.

I want a server UI that's lean and to the point. I don't want to feel like I'm fingerprinting on my KVM monitor.
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Pinning that many apps to the taskbar is stupid. I litterally only need two items pinned to my taskbar. Steam and Waterfox. Every other program shouldn't be pinned to it, since they are lesser programs, and I would hate hitting one by accident and having to wait for it to load before I could kill it (like photoshop, media player, etc)

You really think I would enjoy pinning 30 or so programs to my task bar to avoid the start screen? Seriously, are you comparing a tablet to a PC? YES the touch interface works. I use a PC NO TOUCH SCREEN NO BUENO for windows 8.

What I'm saying is this. I have a bunch of apps I use irregularly. I also watch a lot of tv shows on my pc. I don't want to stop watching a show just to open up a little monitor app, or check on other programs to mess around with while I'm watching my shows, just because Microsoft decided an in your face, full screen, distraction of a start screen was a good idea.

It's GARBAGE on a computer. On a tablet, it's FINE it's a freaking tablet. It's not meant to multi task to the level that PC's do.


Exactly. And to think I wrote something similar (see below) 19 months ago. You'd think someone at Microsoft would have figured this out before the release.

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(...)

Even the simple fact of being on the Metro UI takes you away from the desktop. Before, you could be doing your work (accessing frequently used programs on the Start Menu, for example) while watching a video or looking at web sites automatic updates (facebook, etc). No you can't, because you're taken away from the desktop. Given that you don't have the taskbar accessible you don't even know what the other programs you have running are up to, nor can you alternate between them.

(...)


Now, I've been taking all these screenshots of the Preview and pasting them onto Paint. Problem: I don't want to pin Paint on the taskbar. One of the arguments Microsoft gives for ditching the Start menu is that, according to their telemetry, people started using the Start Menu between around 20% something and 50% something less since they had the option of pinning programs to the taskbar and also the fact they had jump lists.

In my humble opinion this is complete nonsensical reading of the telemetry data. I can talk for myself: I now do more because of this arrangement. Some things are on the Start menu, others are on the taskbar. Firefox, Outlook and Steam are on the taskbar. But I would never put Notepad or Paint on the taskbar, although I use them frequently. But it's a different kind of usage - I may use it a lot in a given day, but not in others at all. Microsoft seems to forget that the taskbar has a limited size, unless you want to grow it big, in which case you have to also enable auto-hide so programs running don't just use half the screen.

Let's go back to Paint. So, I took a screenshot and then wanted to paste it into Paint. Where is Paint ? I have to click on the Start icon and then start typing (remember, there is no indication whatsoever that you can do this - so much for the OS being intuitive). So, Paint comes along and I click on it.

After doing this a few times, Paint would surely be on my frequently used programs in Windows 7's Start menu, along with a jump list of the recently saved screenshots. But it's nowhere to be seen on Windows 8. Result: I have to search for it every single time.

(...)

For those that might be thinking that I could just put Paint in thee Start screen right at the beginning, it's true, but that implies basically manually doing it, whereas with Windows 7 that kind of thing is handled automatically for you according to your workflow (use a certain program a lot in a given week, it gets its place in the Start menu, gets removed after a while, replaced by a program you used more after that), plus there are no jump lists on the Start screen.
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You make me laugh, you identify that Start8 is good for 8, so why don't MS just input that into a UI theme and give it an update?

Why should we have to fix something(when its their problem) that shouldn't be broken in the first place?

like it or not MS didn't want to do that because it didn't come with the OS when it launched last year , so now that the OS rep is destroyed even though it beats win7 in almost everything ( for me ) people won't bother buying it , so to get people back into win8 ( blue if you want ) is to re-launch it with fixed features



i just hope the next OS from windows will be as smooth as win8 or even smoother


i have win8 running on my notebook and from pressing the power button to the point of being on desktop with all programs running and ready for work it takes 58 seconds and this is without SSD
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i have win8 running on my notebook and from pressing the power button to the point of being on desktop with all programs running and ready for work it takes 58 seconds and this is without SSD


is that impressive ? my 7200rpm hdd does 7 in 35-40 secs , my (slow)ssd in 20 secs or less and linux mint boot takes around 10 secs redface.gif

having said that, who doesn't sleep their PC ? i generally do because of my RAM drive, its 0.5w sleep consumption is no problem for me
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Yeah, I was excited about trying the new 2012 builds (I'm a system engineer at my job) but after about 5 minutes of being unable to find even the most basic of settings, that have been in the same place for 20 years (important when you have 500 machines from NT Server to 2008r2) I gave up and decided there will be no 2012 machines where I work.

I want a server UI that's lean and to the point. I don't want to feel like I'm fingerprinting on my KVM monitor.

I had the same feeling.

They should of let the interface as it was and change the code under the hood.
Adding the "live" desktop from VIsta , i liked that. smile.gif
   
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is that impressive ? my 7200rpm hdd does 7 in 35-40 secs , my (slow)ssd in 20 secs or less and linux mint boot takes around 10 secs redface.gif

having said that, who doesn't sleep their PC ? i generally do because of my RAM drive, its 0.5w sleep consumption is no problem for me


on a notebook it's impressive , plus booting is less than 40 seconds sounds way too fast
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